Celticslife: The Presto Chango Contender

[Monkhouse]

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Just wondering what anyone thinks of this team?

Obviously I don't like his bench, I do think if we got a team similar to this, free agents would be willing to come on vet mininums just to try to grasp a championship.

PG: Rajon Rondo, Phil Pressey
SG: Kevin Martin, Chris Johnson
SF: Luol Deng, Gerald Wallce
PF: Kevin Love, Kris Humphries
C: Omer Asik, Colton Iverson

http://www.celticslife.com/2014/05/the-presto-chango-rebuild-how-boston.html

[WeMadeIt17]

Wow. I actually like that a lot. How do we get Deng though? Isn't he a free agent? But again love that team. Def. Top 3 in the east.

[Monkhouse]

Wow. I actually like that a lot. How do we get Deng though? Isn't he a free agent? But again love that team. Def. Top 3 in the east.

Boston trades:

Kelly Olynyk $2,075,760
Vitor Faverani $2,090,000
Clippers first round pick in 2015
Total: $4,165,760

Cleveland trades:

Luoul Deng $12,000,000
Total: $12,000,0000

For Cleveland, they get a nice, young, cost-controlled piece in Olynyk and a future first rounder for a guy who could have walked away for nothing.

For Boston, they get a former All-Star who won't turn 30 until the end of next season essentially for the worst first rounder in the Boston war chest. This would have to be a sign and trade deal. They should be able to get Deng for something like four years/$48 million. He turned down an offer of three years/$30 million from Chicago last season because he wanted more years and a bit more money. But that decision wasn't totally about finances, as he was unhappy with how the team handled his spinal tap procedure in July. It's safe to say that Deng's brief stint as a Cavalier didn't make him any happier. He should jump at the chance to join a veteran team led by Rondo and Love.

If the salary cap projections for next year hold true, Boston should have about $7 million in cap space right now and they also shed a bit more in the Love deal. That should be enough to fit in Deng's contract. Boston could also back load the deal to make sure they can fit him in.

Don't know if the numbers work.

I would like to swap out Martin for Affalo if I'm looking for a good 3 and D guy.

[WeMadeIt17]

Yeah i like the idea of Affalo as well. But man that would be a great off-season if that was the case.

[Monkhouse]

Yeah i like the idea of Affalo as well. But man that would be a great off-season if that was the case.

I mean I like the team, but I would rather acquire Love, and try to find the right deals rather than looking for Deng/Martin as our center piece.

Deng also hasn't been the same ever since he got injured. I guess we're just hoping his defense is still solid enough to guard LBJ/Melo/Durant, and he can still shoot 3's.

The only problem is who's gonna be the definite one to attack the paint? Love/Martin?

[Roy H.]

There's a few things unrealistic about that.

1.  You can't trade Avery Bradley in the first deal until he accepts his qualifying offer, which certainly wouldn't happen before the draft, and could take several weeks, or even months.  That means that we'd have to pick for Minnesota, and hope that that Bradley agrees to later forgo restricted free agency and sign for the QO.  That's not happening.

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

3.  We would have significantly less than $12 million in cap room, when you take into account cap holds, etc.  We could attempt to use the TPE in a Deng sign-and-trade, but we won't have outright cap space.

4.  We'd have to renounce the MLE if we used cap space, and would only have the much smaller "room exception" to work with.  That's probably not enough to sign Humphries.

[Fafnir]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

[pearljammer10]

Wow. I actually like that a lot. How do we get Deng though? Isn't he a free agent? But again love that team. Def. Top 3 in the east.

Boston trades:

Kelly Olynyk $2,075,760
Vitor Faverani $2,090,000
Clippers first round pick in 2015
Total: $4,165,760

Cleveland trades:

Luoul Deng $12,000,000
Total: $12,000,0000

For Cleveland, they get a nice, young, cost-controlled piece in Olynyk and a future first rounder for a guy who could have walked away for nothing.

For Boston, they get a former All-Star who won't turn 30 until the end of next season essentially for the worst first rounder in the Boston war chest. This would have to be a sign and trade deal. They should be able to get Deng for something like four years/$48 million. He turned down an offer of three years/$30 million from Chicago last season because he wanted more years and a bit more money. But that decision wasn't totally about finances, as he was unhappy with how the team handled his spinal tap procedure in July. It's safe to say that Deng's brief stint as a Cavalier didn't make him any happier. He should jump at the chance to join a veteran team led by Rondo and Love.

If the salary cap projections for next year hold true, Boston should have about $7 million in cap space right now and they also shed a bit more in the Love deal. That should be enough to fit in Deng's contract. Boston could also back load the deal to make sure they can fit him in.

Don't know if the numbers work.

I would like to swap out Martin for Affalo if I'm looking for a good 3 and D guy.

I'm confused as to how this works out for us to get Deng...But I wouldn't be opposed to making the attempt. And I myself would much rather have Afflalo.

Still outlining my off seasons as

Sully, Wallace, # 6, two future firsts for Love

TPE for Lin and Asik

Bradley and a first for Afflalo.

Sign Pierce to a low level contract.

Rondo/Lin
Afflalo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO



I guess then, to approach the above scenario, we could try to offer Jeff Green for Deng in a sign and trade? If Deng wanted to leave Cleveland that bad and the Cavs wanted to replace him with another 3 I wouldn't see why that couldn't work except I would expect Deng to be too expensive.

Rondo/Lin
Afflalo/#!7
Deng/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

[Roy H.]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

They were offered a first rounder for him last year, and I'm sure they could get a similar offer this year if they're not getting a non-guaranteed contract.

[Monkhouse]

Yeah I was pretty skeptical of us getting all of these players anyways.

If we go after and acquire Love, the probablity of us contending definitely wouldn't be this year, but the year after where cap space is more open, and we still have our draft picks to try to sign a FA/another star.

[D.o.s.]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

They were offered a first rounder for him last year, and I'm sure they could get a similar offer this year if they're not getting a non-guaranteed contract.

Who made that offer, though?

[Roy H.]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

They were offered a first rounder for him last year, and I'm sure they could get a similar offer this year if they're not getting a non-guaranteed contract.

Who made that offer, though?

Reportedly the Celtics, at the very least.  If the Rockets didn't take that offer last year, they're not doing it now for less.

[saltlover]

There's a few things unrealistic about that.

1.  You can't trade Avery Bradley in the first deal until he accepts his qualifying offer, which certainly wouldn't happen before the draft, and could take several weeks, or even months.  That means that we'd have to pick for Minnesota, and hope that that Bradley agrees to later forgo restricted free agency and sign for the QO.  That's not happening.

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

3.  We would have significantly less than $12 million in cap room, when you take into account cap holds, etc.  We could attempt to use the TPE in a Deng sign-and-trade, but we won't have outright cap space.

4.  We'd have to renounce the MLE if we used cap space, and would only have the much smaller "room exception" to work with.  That's probably not enough to sign Humphries.

Roy, you can't trade Bradley if he accepts his QO unless he agrees to it, since he'd be on a 1-year deal and would lose his Bird rights, and therefore would essentially have a no-trade clause.  The only way Bradley can be traded is via a sign-and-trade, to which he also has to agree, and which also cannot be negotiated until after the draft.

[saltlover]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

They were offered a first rounder for him last year, and I'm sure they could get a similar offer this year if they're not getting a non-guaranteed contract.

Who made that offer, though?

Reportedly the Celtics, at the very least.  If the Rockets didn't take that offer last year, they're not doing it now for less.

But Lee was also in that offer.  Since we traded a second-rounder to get rid of Lee, it's arguable that we were offering less than a 1st rounder.

[knuckleballer]

2.  Houston isn't going to deal Asik for Bass and a couple of second rounders.  If they move Asik, it will be for legitimate assets, or cap space.  This deal gives them neither.

I don't think they're getting much in assets for Asik, cap space if they're convinced they can sign away melo is the only way I think it happens.

They were offered a first rounder for him last year, and I'm sure they could get a similar offer this year if they're not getting a non-guaranteed contract.

The trade exception and the Clippers pick would make a lot of sense for him.