Instead of Love, what about drafting these two players

[NorthernLightning]

The NBA these days is turning into a 3 point shooting contest, with the impact of analytics or whatever. Layups and 3s, those are the most efficient shots, right?

Well very very rarely do you see a college guy shoot such a high percentage from 3 on such high volume, game in and game out, and to be able to do so off the ball, as McDermott.

Not only does McDermott have NBA range, but this guy will be able to stretch the floor out to about 26 feet, while still commanding close defense.

Not to mention his post game.

At the end of the day, basketball games are won by superior skill and smarts, and McDermott is as skilled as anybody in the NBA, Dirk included.

[Tr1boy]

I really like both players, but they don't compliment each other very well, especially since KO and Sully are already iffy defenders with no rim protection.

Picks that would compliment each other:

Vonleh and Warren
Gordon and McDermott
McDermott and Porzingis/Capela.

Well we would need a legit rim protector. Trade for or sign one

[Donoghus]

My foot would go through my tv if the Celtics took McDermott with the 6th pick.

I'd start several fire Ainge thread's myself.

I seriously think that pick would be a fireable offense.

In tb16's defense, he did say that he wasn't specifically talking about using the 6th pick, and was happy with trading down to get McDermott

He'd have to trade down to 16 or so before I'd be happy with McDermott. Not the sort of talen the C's need.

Agreed.

[LooseCannon]

Building through the draft is nice.  Being able to acquire a MVP-caliber player like Kevin Love trumps that.

[slamtheking]

I know some fans here are dying to get Love to:

1) get back to being relavent again and make the  playoffs
2) make up the fact the team is not going to draft a top 3-4 pick
3) get someone Rondo can feed the ball to and entice him to stay 
4) get a bonafide superstar you can rely on game after game

I will be honest at this point with what happened yesterday i rather start a full rebuild. Draft guys like Gordon and Stauskus at 17, trade Rondo and let Stevens pretty much start from scratch.

But it looks like nobody wants to do this and nobody is patient to do this.  So intead what about this alternative plan if we can't get someone like a Love via trade(or don't want to give up the farm) but also do not go through a full rebuild or incompatibility route (Rondo and vets vs rookies)

Draft night

Draft Mcdermott and Warren. Before some people start laughing, these two guys had the highest PER ratings of all of college last season.  Both were scoring machines (avg about 25 ppg) on pretty mediocre teams. Imagine what they could do if they teammed up, played with better players and Rondo fed them the ball. Both guys would greatly benefit having a pg like Rondo pass the ball to them as they are not the greatest shot creators. But they are excellent at finding open spots on the court , or cutting to the basket (like pierce) for scoring opportunities. Both guys run around so much, it could tire out the opposing teams defense

Then trade Green, future 1sts, TAE etc. whatever combination and cost least to grab Asik.  Then again use whatever cost the least and trade for a 2nd center/pf rim protector.  Trade for or sign 2 or 3 key vets

Lineup

C- Asik
PF- KO
SF - Mcdermott
SG - Warren
PG - Rondo

Bench
C - 2nd rim protector
PF - Sullinger/Bass
SF - FA signing/Wallace
SG - FA signing/Johnson
PF- Pressey/Bayless

The lineup while doesn't look exciting nor would be a great defensive team could potentially be a very strong offensive team.   Team defense should be good bc these guys will put in the effort, have good iqs and at least now you have a decent rim protector in Asik.   

thoughts?

your proposal is to draft Mcdermott (at #6 no less) and Warren as opposed to acquiring Kevin Love AND you want to drastically overpay to get a 1-way player in Asik?

I know you are one of the 2 most hard-core proponents of the draft I see on the site every year but this is just bad.  really bad.   

I'm leary of McD to begin with even if you dropped down to late-lottery to get him since he just impresses me as the next Kyle Korver.  Korver's a nice player to have on your bench but he's not the 6th best player in this draft.  not by a longshot.
Warren's as likeley to be a good role player as most others projected to be available at 17 but if Minny asks for #6 and #17 (with Sully or KO) for Love, those picks are going to Minny without hesitation.

[Tr1boy]

The NBA these days is turning into a 3 point shooting contest, with the impact of analytics or whatever. Layups and 3s, those are the most efficient shots, right?

Well very very rarely do you see a college guy shoot such a high percentage from 3 on such high volume, game in and game out, and to be able to do so off the ball, as McDermott.

Not only does McDermott have NBA range, but this guy will be able to stretch the floor out to about 26 feet, while still commanding close defense.

Not to mention his post game.

At the end of the day, basketball games are won by superior skill and smarts, and McDermott is as skilled as anybody in the NBA, Dirk included.

+1. He was also not a defensive liability in college.  His motor, iq is advance also

[Fafnir]

McDermott was a defensive liability in college, he's slow to rotate and doesn't do a good job contesting or playing help defense. Just tries to take charges or get in the way while avoiding fouls.

I live where he played, saw over 50% of his college games. Dude can't defend and his team never even asked him to try and defend. They hid him on nonthreats every chance they could get.

[Snakehead]

McDermott was a defensive liability in college, he's slow to rotate and doesn't do a good job contesting or playing help defense. Just tries to take charges or get in the way while avoiding fouls.

I live where he played, saw over 50% of his college games. Dude can't defend and his team never even asked him to try and defend. They hid him on nonthreats every chance they could get.

It's funny for which players and which type of players the flaws in their game get magnified when we are talking about the draft.

[D.o.s.]

McDermott was a defensive liability in college, he's slow to rotate and doesn't do a good job contesting or playing help defense. Just tries to take charges or get in the way while avoiding fouls.

I live where he played, saw over 50% of his college games. Dude can't defend and his team never even asked him to try and defend. They hid him on nonthreats every chance they could get.

It's funny for which players and which type of players the flaws in their game get magnified when we are talking about the draft.

I think a lot of it skews around which programs you follow outside of March Madness (if any).

[CoachBo]

McDermott was a defensive liability in college, he's slow to rotate and doesn't do a good job contesting or playing help defense. Just tries to take charges or get in the way while avoiding fouls.

I live where he played, saw over 50% of his college games. Dude can't defend and his team never even asked him to try and defend. They hid him on nonthreats every chance they could get.

As someone who sees the Valley constantly as well, this is a fair assessment. Doesn't mean he's not physically talented enough to defend in the league - I mean, he can reach and wave goodbye just like Rondo does - but playing for Daddy, it's an accurate thing to note as Faf has that defense is something he's never been asked to do.

[Tr1boy]

McDermott was a defensive liability in college, he's slow to rotate and doesn't do a good job contesting or playing help defense. Just tries to take charges or get in the way while avoiding fouls.

I live where he played, saw over 50% of his college games. Dude can't defend and his team never even asked him to try and defend. They hid him on nonthreats every chance they could get.

As someone who sees the Valley constantly as well, this is a fair assessment. Doesn't mean he's not physically talented enough to defend in the league - I mean, he can reach and wave goodbye just like Rondo does - but playing for Daddy, it's an accurate thing to note as Faf has that defense is something he's never been asked to do.

Like I said he might be a passsble ind defender in the nba but should be a decent team defender due to his iq and motor. He is always moving.  If grandfather pierce can still do a passable job, these guys can do better

Also thats why with warren and mcdermott you need a legit center to bail them out here and there

If we focus on the offensive potential, rondo will like having these guys. They are excellent at getting open without the ball. Nobody has talked about this

[notthebowler]

It's not as if you need 5 lockdown defenders to be strong defensively.  Generally speaking, having a rim protector and a team full of guys who are willing to work at making the right rotations will make you a top notch defensive team.

For a team that has a strong defensive culture, Doug McDermott is not going to drag them down a level.  If you lack that culture, that is when individual weaknesses stick out like a sore thumb.

[Fafnir]

If we focus on the offensive potential, rondo will like having these guys. They are excellent at getting open without the ball. Nobody has talked about this

McDermott is pretty terrible at it, he has a lot of trouble getting the ball when denied aggressively. Given that I doubt he's a huge post threat in the NBA with his lack of physical tools it'll be even harder as most of his off the ball action rested on the threat of his posting a smaller player up.

Warren I only watched 4 or 5 games total, but he seemed to play on the ball more than off it like McDermott did. Tended to initiate offense from the wing with dribble drive for jump shots

[Clench123]

No.  I want Love.

[Tr1boy]

If we focus on the offensive potential, rondo will like having these guys. They are excellent at getting open without the ball. Nobody has talked about this

McDermott is pretty terrible at it, he has a lot of trouble getting the ball when denied aggressively. Given that I doubt he's a huge post threat in the NBA with his lack of physical tools it'll be even harder as most of his off the ball action rested on the threat of his posting a smaller player up.

Warren I only watched 4 or 5 games total, but he seemed to play on the ball more than off it like McDermott did. Tended to initiate offense from the wing with dribble drive for jump shots

Well there are only a few players when zeroed in by opposing team ds that are still abke to score. Mcdermott didnt play with a proper pg nor had someone else to help him score