So Wyc Grousbeck and Danny Ainge pretty much confirmed we're getting Kevin Love

[D.o.s.]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

That's true, but it really has no impact on the Love talk.

Past performance is no indication of future results -- and that goes for NBA trades as well as probability.

Well the NBA tradescape is far different from a objective coin flip. People, especially prideful owners are inclined to remember their legacy. For instance, I doubt that Houston and OKC complete a significant trade in the next few years. Same for NYK and Toronto, at least as long as Toronto's GM is gainfully employed there.

There's a difference between front offices and ownership, though, and the Minnesota front office is a completely different beast than the one that made the KG trade. Not to mention that the relative value of first rounders had skyrocketed since. Taylor's not going to 86 the best offer simply because it's coming from the Celtics.

[badshar]

The Celts can try but the Wolves won't bite. Unless they can flip all those picks to draft a top 3 player in this years draft

The subject is misleading, bc again the Celts can give up the farm but its up to Minnesota to still say yes. And for love, i wouldn't give up so much either. That's how you can screw your future also.  For example when we lost Joe Johnson

Why not? Minnesota has to bite on one deal and which team currently has a better offer for Love than the Celtics?

What offer though??  The Celts haven't made one officially. It's all assumptions right now

The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

How do you know Ainge hasn't had discussions already (before the lottery and after it)?
Have you been keeping track of what Ainge has been doing?

How do YOU know that Ainge has had discussions already? Have YOU been keeping track of what he's doing?

No, I have not, hence I am keeping the possibilities open, unlike you, who is straight up saying that Celtics have made no offer yet.

[chambers]

Triboy I'm not sure why you're writing it off like it will never happen.
The Wolves owner *reportedly* said Love won't be traded before deadline...not the GM.
The Wolves GM *reportedly* is now open to Love trade offers. That is Flip Saunders, who has worked for the Celtics and has a great relationship with Ainge.

The later the Wolves wait, the worse their return for Love gets.
You're saying they'll just keep him and try and get a star to help him, but if he wants out of Minny then they don't have a say.
Love's agent is also very good friends with Ainge and Ainge helped Love's agent by getting Pierce to Brooklyn.(he's pierces agent too).

We didn't screw them last time either. KG was leaving Minnesota either way, there was absolutely no chance of him staying there...in fact he was going to join Kobe and the Lakers and didn't think Pierce was enough to get through the East. Danny then got Ray Allen and that swayed KG's mind.
The Wolves wanted Jefferson and we had the best asset package to offer them of anyone.
When you're a terribly run franchise like the Wolves, at some point you have to expect that your stars will leave for greener pastures.

Al Jefferson became an All Star and one of the best centres in the NBA. Not sure how we 'screwed' them.
We have a 6th pick, multiple young assets aswell as multiple other extremely valuable first round picks. I dunno why you don't think these picks are valuable. The value of these picks has gone up significantly since the new CBA came in- this is a commonly understood 'rule' of new age basketball.

Go over to realgm.com and visit the timberwolves boards. They have a 'Kevin love trade ideas' topic and plenty of the Wolves fans there are saying we have the best package they could possibly get.
What did the Magic get for Howard? What did the rockets get for Harden?
Surely you can see that our package is much better than those.

The reason they take the draft pick package is because once we draft the player- the value for them decreases exponentially- because they lose the premium of drafting who THEY want.
If they wait and don't give other teams at least a full season of Love, then teams won't give up any decent assets will they?

[indeedproceed]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

That's true, but it really has no impact on the Love talk.

Past performance is no indication of future results -- and that goes for NBA trades as well as probability.

Well the NBA tradescape is far different from a objective coin flip. People, especially prideful owners are inclined to remember their legacy. For instance, I doubt that Houston and OKC complete a significant trade in the next few years. Same for NYK and Toronto, at least as long as Toronto's GM is gainfully employed there.

There's a difference between front offices and ownership, though, and the Minnesota front office is a completely different beast than the one that made the KG trade. Not to mention that the relative value of first rounders had skyrocketed since. Taylor's not going to 86 the best offer simply because it's coming from the Celtics.

I agree with you that if ultimately they feel it's the best offer they won't turn a blind eye, but I also think they'll be weary of the public perception of the trade. They under no circumstances will want to be viewed as 'losers' here, and that'll inform the level of scrutiny they give the offer, and they'll think about the last time this happened.

It's just human nature informing this for me. A 'fool me once' kind of slant.

[D.o.s.]

I'd agree with that.

[LarBrd33]

I mean, there's about a 99% chance we'll go after Love.  That doesn't mean we are getting him.  Other teams will have offers.  We have lots of picks, but perhaps they'd prefer to take back talent... something we lack.

[JOMVP]

If Cleveland is actually willing to give up the number one pick with Waiters and Thompson, forget it, they win.

However, outside of that, I think Celtics can offer the best value for him. We have a bazillion picks to throw at them, plus Sullinger, KO, and Jeff Green. One thing we might be able to do to sweeten the pot is to move up to number 4 with Orlando so Minnesota can get Exum.

Next question after we get Love, can Danny clean the books enough to make a run at Lebron this offseason? Pipedreamsssss.

[biggjonn75]

Love's been hurt a lot the past 3 years. He's only played 150 out of 246. Yes he is the BAWG, but he's not Larry ... or ... Kevin ... or Walton. Let it go.

[j804]

Triboy I'm not sure why you're writing it off like it will never happen.
The Wolves owner *reportedly* said Love won't be traded before deadline...not the GM.
The Wolves GM *reportedly* is now open to Love trade offers. That is Flip Saunders, who has worked for the Celtics and has a great relationship with Ainge.

The later the Wolves wait, the worse their return for Love gets.
You're saying they'll just keep him and try and get a star to help him, but if he wants out of Minny then they don't have a say.
Love's agent is also very good friends with Ainge and Ainge helped Love's agent by getting Pierce to Brooklyn.(he's pierces agent too).

We didn't screw them last time either. KG was leaving Minnesota either way, there was absolutely no chance of him staying there...in fact he was going to join Kobe and the Lakers and didn't think Pierce was enough to get through the East. Danny then got Ray Allen and that swayed KG's mind.
The Wolves wanted Jefferson and we had the best asset package to offer them of anyone.
When you're a terribly run franchise like the Wolves, at some point you have to expect that your stars will leave for greener pastures.

Al Jefferson became an All Star and one of the best centres in the NBA. Not sure how we 'screwed' them.
We have a 6th pick, multiple young assets aswell as multiple other extremely valuable first round picks. I dunno why you don't think these picks are valuable. The value of these picks has gone up significantly since the new CBA came in- this is a commonly understood 'rule' of new age basketball.

Go over to realgm.com and visit the timberwolves boards. They have a 'Kevin love trade ideas' topic and plenty of the Wolves fans there are saying we have the best package they could possibly get.
What did the Magic get for Howard? What did the rockets get for Harden?
Surely you can see that our package is much better than those.

The reason they take the draft pick package is because once we draft the player- the value for them decreases exponentially- because they lose the premium of drafting who THEY want.
If they wait and don't give other teams at least a full season of Love, then teams won't give up any decent assets will they?

Good point get ready for Love guys Danny's going to be aggressive

[RJ87]

Love's been hurt a lot the past 3 years. He's only played 150 out of 246. Yes he is the BAWG, but he's not Larry ... or ... Kevin ... or Walton. Let it go.

That's kind of impressive considering there's only been 230 regular season games the past 3 years. He's so fragile, he's missed games that never even happened.

[blink]

The Celts can try but the Wolves won't bite. Unless they can flip all those picks to draft a top 3 player in this years draft

The subject is misleading, bc again the Celts can give up the farm but its up to Minnesota to still say yes. And for love, i wouldn't give up so much either. That's how you can screw your future also.  For example when we lost Joe Johnson

Why not? Minnesota has to bite on one deal and which team currently has a better offer for Love than the Celtics?

What offer though??  The Celts haven't made one officially. It's all assumptions right now

The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

I think Golden State is crazy if they offer David Lee, H. Barnes and Clay for Love.  That is too much.  I know there are no draft picks in that offer, but still.  2 starters and 1 young player with some upside, seems like a lot.  I think that would be a mistake for GS.  Giving up too much of their core team.

[RJ87]

The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

I think Golden State is crazy if they offer David Lee, H. Barnes and Clay for Love.  That is too much.  I know there are no draft picks in that offer, but still.  2 starters and 1 young player with some upside, seems like a lot.  I think that would be a mistake for GS.  Giving up too much of their core team.

Which is why it's a fan trade machine concoction (typically based in fantasyland) and not an actual offer. I could see GS offering Lee/Thompson or Lee/Barnes but not all three.

[Rondo9]

I've heard that Golden State doesn't want to give up Klay Thompson.

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The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

I think Golden State is crazy if they offer David Lee, H. Barnes and Clay for Love.  That is too much.  I know there are no draft picks in that offer, but still.  2 starters and 1 young player with some upside, seems like a lot.  I think that would be a mistake for GS.  Giving up too much of their core team.

Which is why it's a fan trade machine concoction (typically based in fantasyland) and not an actual offer. I could see GS offering Lee/Thompson or Lee/Barnes but not all three.

Good point. I know it isn't the GS front office dreaming that up, but you would think that their fans wouldn't gravitate to deals that made the team worse u know?  Maybe they are just more generous in GS? haha

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I've heard that Golden State doesn't want to give up Klay Thompson.

I think that would be a pretty safe assumption.  Great player on great contract...if we had him, I wouldn't want to trade him either!