So Wyc Grousbeck and Danny Ainge pretty much confirmed we're getting Kevin Love

[Tr1boy]

Unless the Wolves seriously get overpaid meaning 1 or 2 vet players to at least cover most of the lost production from Love and a combination of 1 or 2 prospects/picks, they are not budging.

Sullinger nor KO are the vets Minny will care for. All the 1st picks might end up meaning little if Love resigns and the Celts keep making the playoffs.

The Wolves GM has said he is not interested in trade talks.  To me unless he seriously gets overpaid he rather have a disgruntled Love on the team, do whatever he can to get another superstar (trade Rubio, Pek, etc) , see how Love feels by mid season, see if he will resign, if not trade him in the trade deadline. At the deadline you might have teams going crazy to get Love so they can try to win a championship. Good chance the wolves get overpaid at that point

[badshar]

An offer of a lottery pick and legitimate decent players like Green and Sullinger is better than anyone can offer, at all.

[Lucky17]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

[badshar]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

[Tr1boy]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

and they got screwed in a way. They won't get screwed twice by the Celts imo. We will have to really overpay this time. Not worth it

[Afam]

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[D.o.s.]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

That's true, but it really has no impact on the Love talk.

Past performance is no indication of future results -- and that goes for NBA trades as well as probability.

[badshar]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

and they got screwed in a way. They won't get screwed twice by the Celts imo. We will have to really overpay this time. Not worth it imo

Well, you're right, but that's how it works. No fan wants to sit for multiple years watching his team try to tank (and fail at that too, like this year) and then be so unlucky to not get a good pick. That isn't the Celtics culture. We don't do what teams like 76ers, Cavs and others do (full-blown tanking) unless we are really forced to and have no choice whatsoever. I didn't see any of Paul Pierce's teams tanking (with the exception of 06-07, when Pierce was injured for half the year and when he came back, the guys decided that it was better to go for pick at that point than lose as an 8th or 7th seed). Let's be real. Draft luck just isn't with us. Len Bias. Tim Duncan. Kevin Durant. This Year. It just doesn't favor us. When there is an opportunity to get a star and you can afford it, you do it. Especially when they haven't even entered their prime and would likely attract another superstar in Carmelo Anthony to potentially force his way to Boston? You do it all the more. I would do that 10/10 times even if I don't have a first round pick for the next two consecutive years. When you are building around stars, you need great veterans, not first year rookies (in rare occasions that might help, but they didn't do much for the Knicks' core of Melo and Amare').

[indeedproceed]

If we're willing to take on Kevin Love without an extension it's a foregone conclusion IMO.

But I hope we don't do it. Or if we do, I hope we have a second move ready beyond Asik.

I agree. I hope its melo or a player of that elk. I would prefer Durant but that's a pipe dream. A good dream to have, but its not realistic because I doubt he wants to play in Boston.

Well it's unrealistic that OKC ever trades Durant short of an hour long ESPN special at a Nebraska boys and girls club or something.

[RJ87]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

and they got screwed in a way. They won't get screwed twice by the Celts imo. We will have to really overpay this time. Not worth it

How did we screw them? We gave them nice assets - that they failed to turn those assets into a quality team is completely on them. Big Al was a promising young big at the time (and he did turn into a great player. That torn ACL was an unfortunate sidetrack). And that 2009 pick that we returned to them that they used to select Jonny Flynn instead of Stephen Curry.

We didn't screw them, they screwed themselves.

[D.o.s.]

Taking Jonny Flynn is a great example of the potential problems with BPA -- he was a solid pick and roll point guard who wasn't a solid fit, at all, with the triangle they were running at the time.

Of course, taking Rubio with the next pick was the real head scratcher.

[indeedproceed]

I think I'd change the title of this thread to "Wyc and Ainge pretty much confirm Celtics will go after someone like Love."

Getting him is another story. Minnesota has to think it's the best return they can get.

I'm sure that's exactly what happened in 07 too and that Minnesota thought they were getting the best return on KG.

That's true, but it really has no impact on the Love talk.

Past performance is no indication of future results -- and that goes for NBA trades as well as probability.

Well the NBA tradescape is far different from a objective coin flip. People, especially prideful owners are inclined to remember their legacy. For instance, I doubt that Houston and OKC complete a significant trade in the next few years. Same for NYK and Toronto, at least as long as Toronto's GM is gainfully employed there.

[MBunge]

The Celts can try but the Wolves won't bite. Unless they can flip all those picks to draft a top 3 player in this years draft

The subject is misleading, bc again the Celts can give up the farm but its up to Minnesota to still say yes. And for love, i wouldn't give up so much either. That's how you can screw your future also.  For example when we lost Joe Johnson

Why not? Minnesota has to bite on one deal and which team currently has a better offer for Love than the Celtics?

What offer though??  The Celts haven't made one officially. It's all assumptions right now

The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

The problem with the GSW offer is that it neither makes the Wolves good enough to contend nor bad enough to rebuild. 

Mike

[staticcc]

The Celts can try but the Wolves won't bite. Unless they can flip all those picks to draft a top 3 player in this years draft

The subject is misleading, bc again the Celts can give up the farm but its up to Minnesota to still say yes. And for love, i wouldn't give up so much either. That's how you can screw your future also.  For example when we lost Joe Johnson

Why not? Minnesota has to bite on one deal and which team currently has a better offer for Love than the Celtics?

What offer though??  The Celts haven't made one officially. It's all assumptions right now

The GSW fan websites think they have a strong offer - Lee, Barnes and Thompson (though they would be reluctant to include Thompson) to get a deal done.  This is a much better deal for Wolves to take then to take 1st round picks from us and start a semi rebuild again. Do you remember the last time they made the playoffs?

How do you know Ainge hasn't had discussions already (before the lottery and after it)?
Have you been keeping track of what Ainge has been doing?

How do YOU know that Ainge has had discussions already? Have YOU been keeping track of what he's doing?

[MBunge]

I can see Ainge trading for Love without an extension but only if Minny is taking back something like Wallace's contract.

Mike