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The OKC Approach
« on: May 20, 2014, 12:13:57 PM »

Offline Almighty_Finn

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Regarding the Love trade talk. I'm on the bandwagon that bringing in Love would be huge, but that it would still take Ainge a couple years of work (at least) to get us to the finals. Love is a great player, but he is not enough. That is evident in years in Minnesota.

This post, like many, are all about what ifs. What if the Celtics get a top 3 pick? Given the above statement, I say use it. If any of the three are available then have at it. I would prefer bringing in the possible future Hakeem (Emiid) or the man who can literally leap out of the gym (Wiggins), but Parker would be great too.

All of this depends on the ping pong balls. Would this be enough to keep Rondo? I doubt it. I believe that Rondo could immediately help a young core of players like the Magic, who also have a great shot at the top pick in the draft. Many of the Magic woes stemmed high turnover rates by Oladipo and injuries. With Rondo, I believe the Magic are in a great spot in the East. It would require more than a pick. Perhaps a young player? Cap relief? Another future pick to add to the plethora of picks already in hand?

The benefit for the Celtics is they can get another young player in the draft to pair with the likes of one of the other top tier players. OKC did this with Durant and Westbrook and it worked out for them. Are these top players of that caliber? Many experts would say no, but nothing can be known for sure. The thought of having all of these picks to build a young core is just too tempting.

Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 12:26:01 PM »

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The OKC approach is extremely difficult to pull off. You need lottery luck and have to nail 3-4 draft picks in a row, spread over a few years. I cant think of any other franchise that drafted that smartly in just a span of 3 years.

It is definitely a viable option, and one that Philadelphia is clearly gunning for. They will be an interesting experiment to watch.

It feels good to know that the celtics have plenty of options and excellent trade chips!

Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 12:37:06 PM »

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I'd try to keep that top three pick and see if Sullinger, the Brooklyn pick, the Clippers pick, and one of the Nets picks is enough to add Love to Rondo and the rookie.
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Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 12:38:22 PM »

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I don't see why a Love acquisition means a multi-year wait for a potential Finals berth.

Assuming that Love costs two 2014 1st round picks, Sullinger, and short term contract filler of Bass, Bogans, and Joel Anthony, Ainge still has the following bullets in his chamber:

eight 1st round picks between now and 2018
A TPE of $10 million
Avery Bradley's Bird Rights
Kris Humphries' Bird Rights
Jerryd Bayless' Bird Rights
Jeff Green
Kelly Olynyk
non-guaranteed contracts of Chris Babb, Chris Johnson, and Phil Pressey

That's a ton for Ainge to work with.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 12:40:51 PM »

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Regarding the Love trade talk. I'm on the bandwagon that bringing in Love would be huge, but that it would still take Ainge a couple years of work (at least) to get us to the finals. Love is a great player, but he is not enough. That is evident in years in Minnesota.

This post, like many, are all about what ifs. What if the Celtics get a top 3 pick? Given the above statement, I say use it. If any of the three are available then have at it. I would prefer bringing in the possible future Hakeem (Emiid) or the man who can literally leap out of the gym (Wiggins), but Parker would be great too.

All of this depends on the ping pong balls. Would this be enough to keep Rondo? I doubt it. I believe that Rondo could immediately help a young core of players like the Magic, who also have a great shot at the top pick in the draft. Many of the Magic woes stemmed high turnover rates by Oladipo and injuries. With Rondo, I believe the Magic are in a great spot in the East. It would require more than a pick. Perhaps a young player? Cap relief? Another future pick to add to the plethora of picks already in hand?

The benefit for the Celtics is they can get another young player in the draft to pair with the likes of one of the other top tier players. OKC did this with Durant and Westbrook and it worked out for them. Are these top players of that caliber? Many experts would say no, but nothing can be known for sure. The thought of having all of these picks to build a young core is just too tempting.

There's a school of thought that the Thunder tanked in order to move from Seattle as much, if not more, than to try and build a winning roster.

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Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 12:49:14 PM »

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There is no Durant in this draft and there might be one for a few years.  OKC had a lot of luck.

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 12:54:13 PM »

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I don't see why a Love acquisition means a multi-year wait for a potential Finals berth.

Assuming that Love costs two 2014 1st round picks, Sullinger, and short term contract filler of Bass, Bogans, and Joel Anthony, Ainge still has the following bullets in his chamber:

eight 1st round picks between now and 2018
A TPE of $10 million
Avery Bradley's Bird Rights
Kris Humphries' Bird Rights
Jerryd Bayless' Bird Rights
Jeff Green
Kelly Olynyk
non-guaranteed contracts of Chris Babb, Chris Johnson, and Phil Pressey

That's a ton for Ainge to work with.

I believe that even with those pieces, there would still be way too many holes to fill after the smoke cleared. Granted, Ainge has worked up magic before, so maybe it wouldn't take multiple years. The whole post is filled with hypotheticals. In my mind, Rondo and Love sound great because they are both great players, but I would rather build up a franchise with Sullinger who might be driven by these drafted young kids to lose that weight and develop his game further. K Love of the East? I doubt it, but he can definitely start.   

Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 12:56:53 PM »

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There's a school of thought that the Thunder tanked in order to move from Seattle as much, if not more, than to try and build a winning roster.

Welcome to CB, though!

Thanks! The draft is getting me pumped for the upcoming season. I'll be ready to speculate with a little more direction after the lotto.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 12:57:39 PM »

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There is no Durant in this draft and there might be one for a few years.  OKC had a lot of luck.

I'm pretty high on Wiggins and think he has a very good chance to get close to Durant's level, but the next great player... we already know his name...Thon Maker
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IMO, the OKC approach will not work in Boston.

I don't know how many other fans I speak for, but personally I will not wait around 4-5 years for the Celtics to become a "contender."

For me, the time is now.

If you get Love, then all you need is that 3rd "piece" to fall into place.

Suddenly, other free agents look at Boston alot differently if Love is here.

The five year approach worked in OKC, because that's not really a very big market, so the organization was afforded the patience from the fans.

Maybe some people here in Boston are willing to wait 4-5 years, I am just not one of them.

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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 01:09:55 PM »

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I'm pretty high on Wiggins and think he has a very good chance to get close to Durant's level, but the next great player... Thon Maker

Definitely needs polishing, but players can work on their shots. His leaping ability and quickness are special.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 05:25:52 PM »

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The OKC approach is extremely difficult to pull off. You need lottery luck and have to nail 3-4 draft picks in a row, spread over a few years. I cant think of any other franchise that drafted that smartly in just a span of 3 years.

It is definitely a viable option, and one that Philadelphia is clearly gunning for. They will be an interesting experiment to watch.

It feels good to know that the celtics have plenty of options and excellent trade chips!

agreed
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Re: The OKC Approach
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 06:22:51 PM »

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The OKC approach did not start of as well as it should have. They Got Durant but then traded for Jeff Green who was horrible in that system. They should have picked Noah....but who knows everything?

If the celts decide to trade Rondo then I believe it will happen draft night. And if we do that we might as well trade Jeff Green. Exum, Vonleh i think will be perennial all stars. If we get lucky and draft Embiid, and then swing for the stars to get exam and vonleh, that would b insane...plus we have 17th pick

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« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 06:26:09 PM »

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also we have 2 picks next year. And the Clips pick....lets just say I'm doing my voodoo early to mess that team up even more. We could end up with 2 top 8 picks....at least that is what I day dream about

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« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 06:27:38 PM »

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The OKC Approach should really be called The San Antonio Approach.  At least they won a championship with all their high draft picks