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My stab at the offseason
« on: May 18, 2014, 07:50:36 PM »

Offline Busta

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All the K Love talk has me thinking about what a complete offseason would look like and how we could bring in enough talent to convince Love to stay on long term.

To Minn: J. Sullinger, B. Bass, C. Johnson, C. Babb, P. Pressey, V. Faverani, J. Anthony, K. Bogans, 3 1st rd sel (including this years lottery pick)

To Bos: K. Love, K. Martin

To Hou: Future 1st rd pick

To Bos: O. Asik (using TPE)

Sign P. Pierce using the MLE

Re-sign A. Bradley, J. Bayless, K. Humphries

Sign G. Stiemsma Vet minimum

17th overall draft PJ Hairston

That would leave us with this roster:

PF: K. Love/K. Olynyk/K. Humphries
SF: J. Green/P. Pierce/G. Wallace
C: O. Asik/G. Stiemsma/C. Iverson
SG: K. Martin/A. Bradley/PJ Hairston
PG: R. Rondo/J. Bayless

With love and Martin in the starting 5, the center position needs to be a defensive rim protection position by far. Asik, Stiemsma and Iverson all fit the mold.

After Love and Rondo are extended to max deals, it wont leave much in terms of future cap space, so re signing players like Bradley, Bayless and Humph to fill out the roster using their Bird Rights is the best plan by far. PJ Hairston seems to be the most NBA ready of all the SG's that will be available later in the 1st.

Thoughts?

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2014, 08:20:38 PM »

Offline Aymanelgowainy

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All the K Love talk has me thinking about what a complete offseason would look like and how we could bring in enough talent to convince Love to stay on long term.

To Minn: J. Sullinger, B. Bass, C. Johnson, C. Babb, P. Pressey, V. Faverani, J. Anthony, K. Bogans, 3 1st rd sel (including this years lottery pick)

To Bos: K. Love, K. Martin

To Hou: Future 1st rd pick

To Bos: O. Asik (using TPE)

Sign P. Pierce using the MLE

Re-sign A. Bradley, J. Bayless, K. Humphries

Sign G. Stiemsma Vet minimum

17th overall draft PJ Hairston

That would leave us with this roster:

PF: K. Love/K. Olynyk/K. Humphries
SF: J. Green/P. Pierce/G. Wallace
C: O. Asik/G. Stiemsma/C. Iverson
SG: K. Martin/A. Bradley/PJ Hairston
PG: R. Rondo/J. Bayless

With love and Martin in the starting 5, the center position needs to be a defensive rim protection position by far. Asik, Stiemsma and Iverson all fit the mold.

After Love and Rondo are extended to max deals, it wont leave much in terms of future cap space, so re signing players like Bradley, Bayless and Humph to fill out the roster using their Bird Rights is the best plan by far. PJ Hairston seems to be the most NBA ready of all the SG's that will be available later in the 1st.

Thoughts?

Hmmm if only there wasnt something called cap space... We cant bring in Asik,Love,K-Mart, as well as resign AB, Hump, JB AND sign Truth while also keeping Wallace and Rondo.... Our payroll would even exceed the Nets' payroll this year..

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2014, 08:22:53 PM »

Offline Yb2

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You're overpaying for K. Love waaaaay too much. 3 pix including this years lotto pick add to that Sully a 1rd pic himself.
I'm not buying.
Now if we give them that, they should take Wallace out of our hands and any bad contract we have. It's not because we have money (lots of pix) that we should overpay

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 08:50:57 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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Like I've stated elsewhere my offseason plan is similar with a few tweaks.

Love for Sully, lotto pick in 2014,  2 future firsts, Wallace, unguaranteeds to make cap work.

Trade Exception for Asik and Lin

Bradley and a future first for Aaron Aflallo

Resign Pierce

Rondo/Lin
Aflallo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2014, 09:10:42 PM »

Offline Aymanelgowainy

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Like I've stated elsewhere my offseason plan is similar with a few tweaks.

Love for Sully, lotto pick in 2014,  2 future firsts, Wallace, unguaranteeds to make cap work.

Trade Exception for Asik and Lin

Bradley and a future first for Aaron Aflallo

Resign Pierce

Rondo/Lin
Aflallo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

A little better but i doubt the TPE would get us both Asik AND Lin... But either way i dont think we have the cap space for Lin and i dont think we need him as hes too expensive for a backup point..

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2014, 09:58:39 PM »

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If the reported 'likely' asking price is a high lottery pick and viable veteran who can contribute right away, then I don't understand why we are offering up 3 draft picks. A trade of Sullinger, our lottery pick and non-guaranteed contracts seems reasonable.

With Asik, I just don't see us giving up a first along with the TPE - we would be acquiring a very expensive center (I know only 8 mill counts against the cap). If the Rockets couldn't sell a team on giving up a first at the deadline, I don't know why they are suddenly going to get one this offseason. He could have been a force in the playoffs for some team and nobody went for it.

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2014, 10:12:11 PM »

Offline LooseCannon

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Hmmm if only there wasnt something called cap space... We cant bring in Asik,Love,K-Mart, as well as resign AB, Hump, JB AND sign Truth while also keeping Wallace and Rondo.... Our payroll would even exceed the Nets' payroll this year..

It actually is theoretically possible because you would be acquiring Asik, Love, and Martin through trades and sending enough salary to match, and re-signing other players using Bird rights.  There would be no using of cap space to sign free agents.  The only thing I haven't checked is whether the full MLE would be available.
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Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2014, 10:14:02 PM »

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With Asik, I just don't see us giving up a first along with the TPE - we would be acquiring a very expensive center (I know only 8 mill counts against the cap). If the Rockets couldn't sell a team on giving up a first at the deadline, I don't know why they are suddenly going to get one this offseason. He could have been a force in the playoffs for some team and nobody went for it.

I think they could have easily traded him for a first during the season but wanted more in return because he actually is worth more.
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Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2014, 10:36:26 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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Like I've stated elsewhere my offseason plan is similar with a few tweaks.

Love for Sully, lotto pick in 2014,  2 future firsts, Wallace, unguaranteeds to make cap work.

Trade Exception for Asik and Lin

Bradley and a future first for Aaron Aflallo

Resign Pierce

Rondo/Lin
Aflallo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

A little better but i doubt the TPE would get us both Asik AND Lin... But either way i dont think we have the cap space for Lin and i dont think we need him as hes too expensive for a backup point..

I think the trade exception would do it because if the Rockets shed the final year of Lin and Asik then they can add Melo which I see as Houston's number one priority. So it's not really is going after Lin more as the Rockets shedding Lin with what we really want in Asik. He's certainly an expensive back up but only 8 mil counts against the cap next year and he is an expiring deal that could potentially be flipped at the trade deadline.

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 10:49:18 PM »

Offline LooseCannon

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Like I've stated elsewhere my offseason plan is similar with a few tweaks.

Love for Sully, lotto pick in 2014,  2 future firsts, Wallace, unguaranteeds to make cap work.

Trade Exception for Asik and Lin

Bradley and a future first for Aaron Aflallo

Resign Pierce

Rondo/Lin
Aflallo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

A little better but i doubt the TPE would get us both Asik AND Lin... But either way i dont think we have the cap space for Lin and i dont think we need him as hes too expensive for a backup point..

I think the trade exception would do it because if the Rockets shed the final year of Lin and Asik then they can add Melo which I see as Houston's number one priority. So it's not really is going after Lin more as the Rockets shedding Lin with what we really want in Asik. He's certainly an expensive back up but only 8 mil counts against the cap next year and he is an expiring deal that could potentially be flipped at the trade deadline.

The trade exception is not big enough to accommodate the salaries of both Lin and Asik.  You can't combine it with another salary, so you would have to do the TPE for one of them and a separate transaction sending matching salary for the other.
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Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2014, 11:08:32 PM »

Offline Aymanelgowainy

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Like I've stated elsewhere my offseason plan is similar with a few tweaks.

Love for Sully, lotto pick in 2014,  2 future firsts, Wallace, unguaranteeds to make cap work.

Trade Exception for Asik and Lin

Bradley and a future first for Aaron Aflallo

Resign Pierce

Rondo/Lin
Aflallo/#17
Green/Pierce
Love/Bass
Asik/KO

A little better but i doubt the TPE would get us both Asik AND Lin... But either way i dont think we have the cap space for Lin and i dont think we need him as hes too expensive for a backup point..

I think the trade exception would do it because if the Rockets shed the final year of Lin and Asik then they can add Melo which I see as Houston's number one priority. So it's not really is going after Lin more as the Rockets shedding Lin with what we really want in Asik. He's certainly an expensive back up but only 8 mil counts against the cap next year and he is an expiring deal that could potentially be flipped at the trade deadline.

The trade exception is not big enough to accommodate the salaries of both Lin and Asik.  You can't combine it with another salary, so you would have to do the TPE for one of them and a separate transaction sending matching salary for the other.

Yup...

Re: My stab at the offseason
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 07:18:06 PM »

Offline bmac934

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Questions.....Are we still possible landing spots for Kevin Love without giving up our 2014 pick & also is a straight up rondo for russell westbrook trade realistic?
If we did land klove and westbrook it wouldnt even be a question of keeping them (they were good friends at UCLA and said in college that they wanted to continue playing together)