Gordon like Celtics

[LilRip]

I'd say Gerald Wallace or Marion good.

I can't be the only one who thinks there's a huge disparity between prime Crash and prime Marion, can I?

[Tr1boy]

I'd say Gerald Wallace or Marion good.

I can't be the only one who thinks there's a huge disparity between prime Crash and prime Marion, can I?

At peak similar kind of players. Marion was a better shooter though.  Gordon is a better three pt shooter than both at the same age. Gordon has said his shooting has improved. All of his shots (ft, mid , threes) release are more consistent now. Why not give him tue benefit of the doubt?

With a shot ppl have to get closer to him which then gives him options to blow by his man for layups/dunks or collapse the defense and make passes for easy shots.

[hwangjini_1]

I'd say Gerald Wallace or Marion good.

I can't be the only one who thinks there's a huge disparity between prime Crash and prime Marion, can I?

At peak similar kind of players. Marion was a better shooter though.  Gordon is a better three pt shooter than both at the same age. Gordon has said his shooting has improved. All of his shots (ft, mid , threes) release are more consistent now. Why not give him tue benefit of the doubt?

With a shot ppl have to get closer to him which then gives him options to blow by his man for layups/dunks or collapse the defense and make passes for easy shots.

Just a small point. But why would anyone need to take Gordon's word on his shooting when they can personally observe how he shoots and also use film and stats? I would no sooner take his word on this than I would do so for any other player.

[crimson_stallion]

I really don't want us taking Gordon...at all.  To the point where I would even rather slip down to McDermott because at least he fills a need - shooting.

Gordon is probably the only player in the projected top 8 who has absolutely no use to the Celtics.  If he plays PF he would immediately become our worst inside scorer and second worst rebounder (after Bass) at that position. He will get absolutely tortured Defensively against the type of size / strength that's present at the nba level...and his offence would be non existent.

If he plays Sf he'd just replace Wallace as our token defensive / hustle wing guy who is a permanent liability on offence.

Does he have upside?  Maybe. But Smart, Vonleh, Exum and even Randle are all far more suitable for this team than Gordon.

[Chief Macho]

Being an U of A alum,  and having watched every minute of every game Gordon played for them, I can say many of you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

[crimson_stallion]

Still I feel that people are too hard on Gordon, I'd say give him a chance if Danny drafts him.

Really?  Because I say fire DA if he makes that move.

Unless we get the 8th pick,  in which case i can justify taking him...but only if it's with the intention of trading him immediately.

Boston need no more athletic nobody's who can't score...I still cringe thinking about how bad Wallace looked for us this year on offence... Gordan could be worse.

[D.o.s.]

Being an U of A alum,  and having watched every minute of every game Gordon played for them, I can say many of you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Any chance you're going to elaborate on what those posters are missing, then?

[crimson_stallion]

Still I feel that people are too hard on Gordon, I'd say give him a chance if Danny drafts him.

No doubt. He has tons of talent.

That's not really what people are saying, though. They're reacting to this weird notion that Gordon is somehow beyond criticism, while other prospects, who will most like be drafted ahead of him, are not.

Well it's only one person who's saying that. Besides there are some people here who are suggesting that he  is nothing more than a role player, which I disagree with.

What about him do you believe makes him any more than a role player?

The way I see it he is a pure defensive specialist  which is, by definition, a role player.  Maybe if you get real lucky he'll develop into a Thaddeus Young...still barely more than a role player.

I don't see any part of his game that suggests he'll ever be more than that
that.  I just see lots of people blinded by his athleticism.

[Fafnir]

Being an U of A alum,  and having watched every minute of every game Gordon played for them, I can say many of you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Any chance you're going to elaborate on what those posters are missing, then?

One thing people miss is that Gordon has pretty good handle and can really pass the ball.

Arizona just didn't utilize it much.

[crimson_stallion]

I think I agree with the idea that his absolute ceiling is around Gerald Wallace + Shawn Marion, which is, ultimately, a role player -- at least to me.

The ability to guard the best player on a team be it a 2 to a 4 especially against your Lebron's and Durant's would make an in his prime on a good team Gerald Wallace more than a role player in terms of importance. Have him face guarding people and off the ball like Rodman. I hope he'll be willing to do that so the free throws don't become an issue. I'd take a ball handling defensive and physical freak any day of the week at 6 or 7. I think it's irresponsible to take a risk on a 6-4 point guard from Australia over a lockdown, shutdown defender. Defensive will never let you down. No one guy can make this team a contender, not even best case scenario Embiid, who I am hoping for.

You clearly dont know what you are on about because:
1. Exum is a 6'6" PG, not 6'4"
2. Exum is a lockdown defender already at the guard spot, with the potential to be able to defend positions 1-3
3. Exum is a physical freak

Basically everything Gordon gives you, Exum gives you too...except for fancy show-off dunks which I frankly don't care for because 360 dunks do nothing for winning games or championships.

The difference is that Exum can score and distribute too...

You really going to tell me you'd take Gerald Wallace in his Prime over Penny Hawdaway in his Prime? Because those are the guys these two are being projected to become.  No, not Marion.  He was nearly a 20 PPG scorer in his prime,  which Gordon will never be.

[Fafnir]

I didn't think Exum scored that amazing on the physical tests at the combine? That was the impression I got from the chatter, good numbers but not eye popping ones"

Of course if you're a 6'6" PG its all relative.

[D.o.s.]

I don't think he'll be the next Penny, but I am very excited to find out.

[clover]

I really don't want us taking Gordon...at all.  To the point where I would even rather slip down to McDermott because at least he fills a need - shooting.

Gordon is probably the only player in the projected top 8 who has absolutely no use to the Celtics.  If he plays PF he would immediately become our worst inside scorer and second worst rebounder (after Bass) at that position. He will get absolutely tortured Defensively against the type of size / strength that's present at the nba level...and his offence would be non existent.

If he plays Sf he'd just replace Wallace as our token defensive / hustle wing guy who is a permanent liability on offence.

Does he have upside?  Maybe. But Smart, Vonleh, Exum and even Randle are all far more suitable for this team than Gordon.

I agree--I'd take McDermott over Gordon. I think a number of draft boards have him going ahead of Gordon to. I'd take Exum over Vonleh and Vonleh over McDermott. Though I know Smart and Randle have their merits as well.

In part, I'm just not keen on a high draft pick for which you have to project that he'll somehow improve his shot.

[Celtics18]

I think I agree with the idea that his absolute ceiling is around Gerald Wallace + Shawn Marion, which is, ultimately, a role player -- at least to me.

The ability to guard the best player on a team be it a 2 to a 4 especially against your Lebron's and Durant's would make an in his prime on a good team Gerald Wallace more than a role player in terms of importance. Have him face guarding people and off the ball like Rodman. I hope he'll be willing to do that so the free throws don't become an issue. I'd take a ball handling defensive and physical freak any day of the week at 6 or 7. I think it's irresponsible to take a risk on a 6-4 point guard from Australia over a lockdown, shutdown defender. Defensive will never let you down. No one guy can make this team a contender, not even best case scenario Embiid, who I am hoping for.

You clearly dont know what you are on about because:
1. Exum is a 6'6" PG, not 6'4"
2. Exum is a lockdown defender already at the guard spot, with the potential to be able to defend positions 1-3
3. Exum is a physical freak

Basically everything Gordon gives you, Exum gives you too...except for fancy show-off dunks which I frankly don't care for because 360 dunks do nothing for winning games or championships.

The difference is that Exum can score and distribute too...

You really going to tell me you'd take Gerald Wallace in his Prime over Penny Hawdaway in his Prime? Because those are the guys these two are being projected to become.  No, not Marion.  He was nearly a 20 PPG scorer in his prime,  which Gordon will never be.

1. 6'4.5" without shoes, 6'6" with shoes.

2.  A lock down defender?  At the NBA level?  There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that.

3.  Dante Exum measured a 34.5 inch max vetical leap at the combine.  That's below Nik Stauskas, TJ Warren, Tyler Ennis, and Doug McDermott.  Dante didn't exactly blow it away with his athletic measurements. 

Obviously, Dante Exum's a good prospect.  He wouldn't be ranked as highly as he is if he wasn't, but there are a ton of unknowns about this kid.  I don't think he's anywhere near as surefire as many seem to have convinced themselves that he is. 

[Who]

I expect Exum will turn out more like a Brandon Roy type (ball-handling two guard) than a Penny Hardaway (big PG) type.