Gordon like Celtics

[nickagneta]

So according to some young draftniks the Celtics shouldn't worry about drafting Gordon because he is the next Rodman or Marion. You know people, you don't poo-poo the concerns of poor shot mechanics by picking out the two best or really the only two recently successful players with awful shot mechanics that made it big. II tends to leave open the counter argument that its a whole whole lot more likely that Gordon will simply not be that good like the thousands of other great defending role players without a good shot because of bad mechanics that could not be fixed.

[Tr1boy]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

[D.o.s.]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

I asked posters on here a while ago if they thought Carmelo would end up in the Hall of Fame.

All of them said yes -- even and especially the ones who weren't particularly fond of him as a player.

So, you know, Melo's career has turned out pretty well.

[Tr1boy]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

I asked posters on here a while ago if they thought Carmelo would end up in the Hall of Fame.

All of them said yes -- even and especially the ones who weren't particularly fond of him as a player.

So, you know, Melo's career has turned out pretty well.

This is a joke right?  A HOF overpaid career loser.

His only chance to win something is if he teams up with dhoward, harden. I bet he still wont win anything

He is not a winner bc he is a poor teammate, jacks up shots, doesnt play harder on defense, doesnt dive for balls, take charges etc. He doesnt sacrifice, get his teammates involved properly , nor has the leadership skills to be a winner

Parker has better character and likely will be a better teammate but otherwise shares alot of similiraties to melo's game.

[Celtics18]

 


Actually, we need a player like Rondo now. An All Star. A guy that might one day take us through the playoffs against the best players in the world. A guy with size, strength, speed, footwork, finishing ability and ball skills.
Aaron Gordon is not that guy and doesn't have the offensive capabilities to be that guy.

If he's not gonna be the guy on offense, then his best asset is his defense. Obviously you aren't going to find a tonne of guys like Gordon in the 2nd round, but defensive minded wings often come in the 2nd round or late first round because they lack the scoring prowess and fundamentals for an NBA scorer. You keep talking about fundamentals and work ethic.

 Yeah his work ethic is great but his offensive fundamentals are close to a high school level. He 100% won't be able to break down NBA defenders off the dribble because he's a straight line drive type of player on offense. He puts his head down and barges his way to the hole or he runs the length of the court and uses his size and speed like Jeff Green or Lebron. He's great at tip ins and rebound put backs BUT...
The big gaping hole in his game his is dribble breakdown and getting to the rim 1v1. If he could do that he'd be on the same level as Wiggins, Parker, Exum and Smart- the elite wings of this draft- in fact he'd be better.
Coming out of high school he was touted as the next Lebron because he was so athletic and big, but he hasn't developed his offensive game to be an elite small forward.

Because he can't break defenders down he's being defined as a power forward in the NBA.
Now we begin discussions about if he has the size to be an NBA power forward.

I'll ask you again, what position does he play in the NBA?
You seem adamant that he's an SF but he doesn't have the offensive tangibles needed to be an elite SF. Hiis athleticism makes him dominant in college vs boys but in the NBA it won't be enough.
He's looking like he'll be a tweener power forward without a true position- someone you throw out there that can guard anyone from Lebron to Haslem, who works his butt off and hustles every play. A glue guy. Not a potential franchise guy.

I think you are selling Gordon a bit short on his ball handling skills.  No, he's not an elite level perimeter player making plays with the basketball, but from what I've seen, he does have some perimeter skills.  He also seems to have the athleticism and fluidity to keep improving on that aspect of his game.

I'm not saying I'd necessarily take him over Smart, Exum, or Randle, but I absolutely don't think it would be unreasonable to consider him at the five or six spot.  It's not like those other guys don't come with some question marks as well.

[fairweatherfan]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

I asked posters on here a while ago if they thought Carmelo would end up in the Hall of Fame.

All of them said yes -- even and especially the ones who weren't particularly fond of him as a player.

So, you know, Melo's career has turned out pretty well.

This is a joke right?  A HOF overpaid career loser.

His only chance to win something is if he teams up with dhoward, harden. I bet he still wont win anything

He is not a winner bc he is a poor teammate, jacks up shots, doesnt play harder on defense, doesnt dive for balls, take charges etc. He doesnt sacrifice, get his teammates involved properly , nor has the leadership skills to be a winner

Parker has better character and likely will be a better teammate but otherwise shares alot of similiraties to melo's game.

Career loser Carmelo Anthony just had the first losing season of his life, and it took every teammate of significance regressing or having major injury problems, coupled with some of the worst team management in the league to do it.  We should be so lucky as to draft a loser like that.

That said I'd still rather get Wiggins.

[chambers]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

Fair enough Triboy. This argument is pointless.
Ask every single NBA GM who they'd take first and 95% of them would say Jabari Parker over Aaron Gordon.
You have seen something that everyone else has failed to catch. The hundreds of scouting, coaching, reporting staff and ex players. I've stated I'd love Aaron Gordon on this team, I'd just love Jabari Parker more.
Hell we both love the Celtics so who cares.

[Tr1boy]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

Fair enough Triboy. This argument is pointless.
Ask every single NBA GM who they'd take first and 95% of them would say Jabari Parker over Aaron Gordon.
You have seen something that everyone else has failed to catch. The hundreds of scouting, coaching, reporting staff and ex players. I've stated I'd love Aaron Gordon on this team, I'd just love Jabari Parker more.
Hell we both love the Celtics so who cares.

i'll bet if Parker is still in mediocre shape and Gordon shows he has improved his jump shot, some teams will consider taking Gordon over parker.

We are not talking about durant vs jeff green difference here.   The talent level/upside between the top 8 (including Saric) is pretty close . You can include Vonleh in the argument also.  In a few years if Smart ends up being a better player/producer than Wiggins, will anybody really be shocked?? How about if Randle is better than Parker? I know i won't be

[csfansince60s]

To the topic of the thread, Gordon may "like" the Celtics (which to me hasn't been  clearly shown by anything else other than pre-draft puffery and pleasantries), but it's irrelevant whether he likes the Celtics or not, if he's drafted, he comes here.

I'm with those on here who very much hope not. Tweener, horrific free-throw shooter, big bust potential. I'd be sick if we took him with our first pick.

Also, his sister, a recent Harvard gard (I think with a joint Business and Law degree, although I'm not exactly sure) who lived here for a few years and with whom he plans to live for his first 2-3 years as a pro and who will manage his affairs, HATES BOSTON.

Not sure what this like-hate stuff means, but I'd hate to take Gordon with our first pick, and I'd love to take either Smart, Vonleh, Stauskas ( a reach considering current mocks), Saric and Randle all before Gordon.

Lets hope we obviate even the potential of taking Gordon and get Love for the pick. That's what I'd love.

[Tr1boy]

To the topic of the thread, Gordon may "like" the Celtics (which to me hasn't been  clearly shown by anything else other than pre-draft puffery and pleasantries), but it's irrelevant whether he likes the Celtics or not, if he's drafted, he comes here.

I'm with those on here who very much hope not. Tweener, horrific free-throw shooter, big bust potential. I'd be sick if we took him with our first pick.

Also, his sister, a recent Harvard gard (I think with a joint Business and Law degree, although I'm not exactly sure) who lived here for a few years and with whom he plans to live for his first 2-3 years as a pro and who will manage his affairs, HATES BOSTON.

Not sure what this like-hate stuff means, but I'd hate to take Gordon with our first pick, and I'd love to take either Smart, Vonleh, Stauskas ( a reach considering current mocks), Saric and Randle all before Gordon.

Lets hope we obviate even the potential of taking Gordon and get Love for the pick. That's what I'd love.

The information about his sister i thought was unnecessary.  Did a reporter find out that his sister doesn't like Boston and asked him to elaborate on it??

Did Gordon just voluntarily provide this info ??

If he said it out of the blue,  it was definitely a mistake. 

[csfansince60s]

To the topic of the thread, Gordon may "like" the Celtics (which to me hasn't been  clearly shown by anything else other than pre-draft puffery and pleasantries), but it's irrelevant whether he likes the Celtics or not, if he's drafted, he comes here.

I'm with those on here who very much hope not. Tweener, horrific free-throw shooter, big bust potential. I'd be sick if we took him with our first pick.

Also, his sister, a recent Harvard gard (I think with a joint Business and Law degree, although I'm not exactly sure) who lived here for a few years and with whom he plans to live for his first 2-3 years as a pro and who will manage his affairs, HATES BOSTON.

Not sure what this like-hate stuff means, but I'd hate to take Gordon with our first pick, and I'd love to take either Smart, Vonleh, Stauskas ( a reach considering current mocks), Saric and Randle all before Gordon.

Lets hope we obviate even the potential of taking Gordon and get Love for the pick. That's what I'd love.

The information about his sister i thought was unnecessary.  Did a reporter find out that his sister doesn't like Boston and asked him to elaborate on it??

Did Gordon just voluntarily provide this info ??

If he said it out of the blue,  it was definitely a mistake.

Since the topic was "Gordon likes Celtics", I wanted to point out two things :

1. It is irrelevant whether Gordon likes Boston or not, just like its irrelevant as to whether Exum likes the Lakers or not. They go where they are drafted.

2. If one thinks that it's relevant that Gordon likes Boston or not, this might be interesting to them:

[Gordon?s sister not in love with Boston?

Former Arizona star Aaron Gordon will have a unique situation next season: his sister Elise, set to graduate from Harvard this month, will act as his manager and plans to live with him at least throughout his rookie year. ?She majored in business management and minored in law,? he said. ?It?s perfect.?

Not that Elise will have a choice in where her brother lands, but it sounds like she does not love Boston. ?She had some interesting comments about Boston,? her brother said. ?She?s been there for four years, maybe she needs a change of scenery. But it?s really OK for me. Whatever.?/quote]



Triboy, your passion for the Celtics is shared by all of us here. Your passion for Gordon is not.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/05/2014_nba_draft_combine_rumors.html

[Tr1boy]

sorry but you need to speak for yourself. There are lots of Gordon fans on this site.   

This is going to be a really big draft for the Celts. They could trade the pick or keep it. But if they do keep it, i can imagine only a few from the top 8 players could be real good while the rest turn out to be just ok.  It could end up becoming the difference between Bargnani vs Aldridge, or Klay Thompson vs Brandon Knight.

Wiggins some ppl say could turn out to be the next Gerald Green or as passive as Jeff Green.  Embiid might never be healthy. Exum too skinny and could get injured, Smart could turn out to be a disaster if he can't keep his emotions in check and Randle not be effective as a pf due to his mediocre wingspan for a guy that likes to bang on the inside.
 
Everyone has their pros and cons. And to say Parker is a safe bet to become a future all star is as false as it gets.    IF Paker kills the individual workouts, has really worked on his body i have no problem to draft him as high as everyone has him on their board. 

At the moment I'm in favour to draft Gordon over Parker but also will wait to see how things turn out at the private workouts.  If Parker comes into the workouts in poor shape but Gordon has improved his shooting, and people still want to draft Parker, honestly that makes little sense to me. 

[csfansince60s]

sorry but you need to speak for yourself. There are lots of Gordon fans on this site.   

Not sure you understood what I said, so let me explain it to you.

I said:

Triboy, your passion for the Celtics is shared by all of us here. Your passion for Gordon is not.

That means we all love the Celtics on this board, but not all of us love Gordon. Not sure that if you read all the comments on this thread that you could conclude any thing but that. Not everyone on this board or even in this thread want us to select Gordon.

That's a fact about people's opinions expressed in this thread, not me speaking for EVERYONE else.

[D.o.s.]

Chambers yes I do believe Gordon will be a better overall basketball player than poor defense Parker.  What has parker proved so in his young career? An ok regular season record, poor defensive stats and a quick 1st round exit?

Unless he imrpoves his stamina and defense I dont care if he can score 25 bc he will give up as much if not cause problems elsewhere defensively.

And no way parker is like pierce. Pierce has always been a decent defender and is really a sf/sg. While parker is more like melo a sf/pf. Like melo he jacks up shots, takes way too many jumpers and is mediocre to below avg defender. How has melo's career turned out so far?

I asked posters on here a while ago if they thought Carmelo would end up in the Hall of Fame.

All of them said yes -- even and especially the ones who weren't particularly fond of him as a player.

So, you know, Melo's career has turned out pretty well.

This is a joke right?  A HOF overpaid career loser.

His only chance to win something is if he teams up with dhoward, harden. I bet he still wont win anything

He is not a winner bc he is a poor teammate, jacks up shots, doesnt play harder on defense, doesnt dive for balls, take charges etc. He doesnt sacrifice, get his teammates involved properly , nor has the leadership skills to be a winner

Parker has better character and likely will be a better teammate but otherwise shares alot of similiraties to melo's game.

Career loser Carmelo Anthony just had the first losing season of his life, and it took every teammate of significance regressing or having major injury problems, coupled with some of the worst team management in the league to do it.  We should be so lucky as to draft a loser like that.

That said I'd still rather get Wiggins.

Nicely put. And no, it wasn't a joke -- the answers were sincere.

Does anyone here think Carmelo's not going to get into the Hall?

[BigAlTheFuture]

Triboy, you can't honestly say Gordon is a better prospect than Parker. You are listing all these flaws with these other players but disregard the HUGE flaws that Gordon has. He is a tweener, that can't be fixed. He can't shoot, that can be fixed but he's really bad. You're making it sound like its a forgone conclusion that Gordon WILL improve his shooting by the time the individual workout comes around.

It's much easier for Parker to get into shape and fix his body than it will be for Gordon to fix his horrible shooting.

Still don't get your infatuation for Gordon. He will be nothing more than a role player. Don't want us to waste a lotto pick on that. We need a star. Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, and even Exum, Smart, Randle, and Vonleh might be one. Don't see that at all with Gordon.