Celtics-Knicks Trade Idea..

[nickagneta]

If Danny is trying to get a quick turnaround, the player I want from the Knicks that is attainable is Tyson Chandler.

Here's the scenario.

New York has a new guy running the place and no first round picks. They may not even retain Melo. So perhaps they go for a rebuild and clearing salary would be important as would tanking for one year to maximize their 2015 first round pick.

So the Celtics trade the 17th pick and the non-guaranteed contracts(of Bogans, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson) and Bass to New York for Tyson Chandler. Chandler is only 31. If the C's end up with a top 2 pick and get Parker or Wiggins, this makes all the sense in the world for trying to build fast.
 

[gpap]

If Danny is trying to get a quick turnaround, the player I want from the Knicks that is attainable is Tyson Chandler.

Here's the scenario.

New York has a new guy running the place and no first round picks. They may not even retain Melo. So perhaps they go for a rebuild and clearing salary would be important as would tanking for one year to maximize their 2015 first round pick.

So the Celtics trade the 17th pick and the non-guaranteed contracts(of Bogans, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson) and Bass to New York for Tyson Chandler. Chandler is only 31. If the C's end up with a top 2 pick and get Parker or Wiggins, this makes all the sense in the world for trying to build fast.

Yup, Chandler would be nice. I think the Knicks would be nuts to deal him as he's sorta like their anchor, but for the Celts, a legit center like Chandler is just what the doctor ordered. I recently saw somewhere that Jared Sullinger's father was quote as saying the "Celts sorta promised Sully" they would acquire a real center this summer.

[BleedGreen1989]

If Danny is trying to get a quick turnaround, the player I want from the Knicks that is attainable is Tyson Chandler.

Here's the scenario.

New York has a new guy running the place and no first round picks. They may not even retain Melo. So perhaps they go for a rebuild and clearing salary would be important as would tanking for one year to maximize their 2015 first round pick.

So the Celtics trade the 17th pick and the non-guaranteed contracts(of Bogans, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson) and Bass to New York for Tyson Chandler. Chandler is only 31. If the C's end up with a top 2 pick and get Parker or Wiggins, this makes all the sense in the world for trying to build fast.

Given age and injury history, I'd still rather have that pale guy we're always talking about..

[pearljammer10]

If Danny is trying to get a quick turnaround, the player I want from the Knicks that is attainable is Tyson Chandler.

Here's the scenario.

New York has a new guy running the place and no first round picks. They may not even retain Melo. So perhaps they go for a rebuild and clearing salary would be important as would tanking for one year to maximize their 2015 first round pick.

So the Celtics trade the 17th pick and the non-guaranteed contracts(of Bogans, Pressey, Babb, and Johnson) and Bass to New York for Tyson Chandler. Chandler is only 31. If the C's end up with a top 2 pick and get Parker or Wiggins, this makes all the sense in the world for trying to build fast.

Given age and injury history, I'd still rather have that pale guy we're always talking about..

If we have a quick turn around and contend next year I would be more than happy with being able to have Chandler as out starting center.

[Fafnir]

With how broken down Chandler has looked repeatedly at times the last few years I'd be scared to spend assets to acquire him. Paying him past his current expiring deal would also be pretty scary if I wasn't pretty darn sure the team was setup to be very good without him.

[Aymanelgowainy]

Chandler would have been a pretty good asset in his prime as he still had some athleticism to go up there and block shots... However he currently is nowhere near his arguably DPOY days as hes getting way too old and seems to be breaking down... So definitely no to throwing our pick in the deal but MAYYYBE Bass for Chandler would be a decent trade if Chandler can rejuvenate his career... Chandler also seems to be Rondos type of center (pick and roll, alleyoops, protecting the rim) so I certainly wouldnt mind this deal if the salaries match and no picks are thrown in on our side..

[slamtheking]

Pass on IMAN you can get better for BASS

I doubt it.

it's not that farfetched.  Bass and a pick was a going rumor/proposal for Asik who's a more valuable player than Shump.  if Bass-centered deal was in play for Asik, I'd rather make that move than acquiring Shump

However, you also had to throw in a pick in addition to Brandon Bass.

Also, how come this never came to fruition? How come Houston never agreed to it?

so what if a pick was added?  I'm not following what your issue is.  are you absolutely locked into a deal involving just Bass?  why?  treat him as an asset.  If he has to be combined with another asset to make a much better deal, so be it.  no reason to be against it.

as for why the Houston deal didn't occur, how would I (or you) know?  neither of us works in the Houston or Boston front office.  my guess would be Houston wanted more.  didn't work out for them in that regard did it.

It's like you're offended I would consider using Bass in a different deal

[gpap]

Think you misinterpreted or misunderstood me.

All I was suggesting is that a deal like Bass for Shumpert is the most you are going to get in return for Bass.

With the Asik rumor, you would've had to add a pick in addition to Bass and I would think (obviously I don't know for sure) that if Houston was going to make that move, they would've done so by now.

That's all I was meaning to say.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Irish Stew]

Why should we trade for a post prime years center like Tyson Chandler when we can probably get a prime years center like Omar Asik for our trade exception and a future draft choice. If we insist on doing a Chandler trade, it should be considered to be a salary dump by the Knicks and include our non-guaranteed salary guys only. It certainly should not include our 17th pick in this years talent rich draft.

[LooseCannon]

With the Asik rumor, you would've had to add a pick in addition to Bass and I would think (obviously I don't know for sure) that if Houston was going to make that move, they would've done so by now.

Bass and a pick is a bargain price for Asik.  Houston is reluctant to make that move because Asik is worth more.

[jambr380]

I have always LOVED the idea of getting Chandler. I don't know why people think he is so past his prime. He won DPOY in 2012 and his stats the last two years are pretty similar to his 'prime' years.

If we are rebuilding quickly, I would much rather have a proven veteran defensive anchor in Chandler than Asik, who may or may not be all he is cracked up to be. A healthy Chandler is awesome, but I guess people are probably more concerned about his health than his production.

[gpap]

With the Asik rumor, you would've had to add a pick in addition to Bass and I would think (obviously I don't know for sure) that if Houston was going to make that move, they would've done so by now.

Bass and a pick is a bargain price for Asik.  Houston is reluctant to make that move because Asik is worth more.

I would think so. It be a good deal for the Celts however.

[Aymanelgowainy]

If we can get Chandler in a straight-up trade for Bass then that would definitely be a much better trade than Asik for Bass PLUS our 17th pick which we could use to draft a much needed wing scorer... Asik and Chandler are relatively similar onthe offensive end while Chandler is much more athletic on the defensive end and is a much better pick and roll defender than Asik... Chandler is also much more of a rim protector than Asik due to his bigger vertical...

However if the Bass for Chandler (no oicks involved) trade isnt possible then Danny should explore other options with Bass (maybe go back to Asik or gamble on someone like Sanders or so)

[celticpride1]

Who said we are giving up a 1st round pick going back to Houston for Asik? If they are trying to dump him great but dont even think Danny will give up a First round pick. He better be getting one back for taking on that Bad contract.

[gpap]

If we ditch the Knicks and replace them with the Nets, I wonder if this would work

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qjlzmxo

Celts get - Jeremy Lin, James Harden, Brook Lopez
Nets get - Rajon Rondo, Omer Asik, Joel Anthony
Rockets get - Deron Williams, Jeff Green, Brandon Bass.