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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2014, 02:12:13 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2014, 04:19:36 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?


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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2014, 04:25:22 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?

Or playing the Celtics would've resulted in Hibbert finding his mojo sooner (still up in the air, though) as well as the Pacers and getting ousted in 5 games and speculating on what to do with the first of our two picks at #15.


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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2014, 04:47:12 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?

Honestly, watching Pierce and KG closing out their careers in green with a last stop in the playoffs would have been worth quite a bit to me.  KG out there with Sully and KO and Pierce or Green playing a lot at the 2 might have gotten this team better than the 8th seed and out of the first round.  Even with no chance at a title with Rondo coming off an injury, I'd have been happy with that.

I'm going to be delirious in a few years, though, when Ainge either turns all the picks he got from Brooklyn into a legit superstar or two or Boston has more young talent than any team in the league.

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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2014, 04:49:40 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?

Or playing the Celtics would've resulted in Hibbert finding his mojo sooner (still up in the air, though) as well as the Pacers and getting ousted in 5 games and speculating on what to do with the first of our two picks at #15.
Yeah honestly I think Hibbert would have gotten a nice boost of confidence against KG and our smaller options to defend him.

Still we'd have had a good shot, Pacers are playing like garbage as a team. Its not just Hibbert. They've become a worse version of the 2011-2012 Celtics.

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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2014, 05:01:39 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?

Or playing the Celtics would've resulted in Hibbert finding his mojo sooner (still up in the air, though) as well as the Pacers and getting ousted in 5 games and speculating on what to do with the first of our two picks at #15.
Yeah honestly I think Hibbert would have gotten a nice boost of confidence against KG and our smaller options to defend him.

Still we'd have had a good shot, Pacers are playing like garbage as a team. Its not just Hibbert. They've become a worse version of the 2011-2012 Celtics.

Yeah, I probably would've been fine with Pierce/KG riding off into the sunset as Celtics.  That whole limboland of late lottery/low playoff seed still scares me.

I always enjoy seeing the Celtics in the playoffs but it's also sad seeing things fade away which probably would've been the case although one last spark of glory might've been there although that really was the '11-12 playoff ride.


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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2014, 05:27:00 PM »

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maybe those assets wont end up being a next star. But they give us more of a chance to rebuild than holding onto pierce/Garnett and going to the playoffs as an 8th seed only to get destroyed by Miami and ending up with a mid round pick

An 8th seed wouldn't have been so bad.  We could have upset Indiana in the next round, and at least enjoyed a few fleeting moments of playoff basketball, right?

I'm not sure that team even makes the 8th seed.  Do you really think that very limited KG would have been any better than Humphries on this year's team?  Sure, Pierce would have been an improvement, but I don't even know that we get to have a fond farewell in the playoffs if the trade wasn't made.

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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2014, 06:36:07 PM »

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I'm at a point where I'm only looking forward, but I can't say it didn't sting.  I was really hoping to see Paul Pierce retire as a lifelong Celtic. 

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Re: safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?
« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2014, 06:37:33 PM »

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I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

That doesn't make sense. It's like saying that if someone gives you $5000 for your old, beat up car that you were going to put in the junkyard in a year, but you spend that $5000 on horse racing and lose it, you were better off struggling with the old car for a year and then getting nothing for it.

Just because you blow the assets doesn't mean it wasn't a no-brainer to make the deal for the assets. As much as I love Pierce and KG, watching them play this year and possibly next year on the celtics would have been as bad as trying to get an old, beat up car to start every morning and hoping it doesn't poop out on you at any minute. I would rather remember them fondly.


thats not exactly the same scenario tho. i think a better analogy would be sellin an old car for 5000 dollars to buy a new car that u arent sure works. its possible that it was worth sellin the car, but its also equally possible that the new car is worse than the old one. i think that was his point.

but i personally still like the trade.

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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2014, 06:51:02 PM »

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I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

Ainge has been above average at drafting. I'd even say you could easily argue he's been an elite drafter.

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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2014, 06:54:07 PM »

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As others have pointed out, it's still entirely premature to make definitive statements about this deal.  As was overlooked by some when the trade went down, the only valuable parts of the deal were the first round picks from Brooklyn and the higher draft pick that we'll get this year.  We actually lose cap flexibility since Pierce and the Humphries/Bogans expiring deals are a wash and Wallace has a year more on his contract than KG does.  If those picks don't pan out, the deal is pretty insignificant.  If anything, you can argue that not giving the youngsters the chance to learn from KG and PP is potentially a detriment to them. 

Still, I agree with the general sentiment that with the C's looking at a pretty good pick this year and Brooklyn's future not looking so hot, the deal is looking better by the minute.  But I'd add that while Brooklyn is clearly not a contender, the East is so bad that it won't be hard for them to stay a playoff team for the foreseeable future.  And the fact that the C's have three of their picks over the next five years will deter them from blowing it up entirely.  But, as others have said, if Danny can make good use of their high pick this year and their fairly good picks from Brooklyn, the deal ultimately should be a good one. 

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« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2014, 07:22:02 PM »

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I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

That doesn't make sense. It's like saying that if someone gives you $5000 for your old, beat up car that you were going to put in the junkyard in a year, but you spend that $5000 on horse racing and lose it, you were better off struggling with the old car for a year and then getting nothing for it.

Just because you blow the assets doesn't mean it wasn't a no-brainer to make the deal for the assets. As much as I love Pierce and KG, watching them play this year and possibly next year on the celtics would have been as bad as trying to get an old, beat up car to start every morning and hoping it doesn't poop out on you at any minute. I would rather remember them fondly.


thats not exactly the same scenario tho. i think a better analogy would be sellin an old car for 5000 dollars to buy a new car that u arent sure works. its possible that it was worth sellin the car, but its also equally possible that the new car is worse than the old one. i think that was his point.

but i personally still like the trade.


Horse racing would be going all in by doing something like trading Wallace and a pick for Eric Gordon, along with similar multiple "win now" trades.

Keeping with the analogy, CoachBo thinks Ainge is a massive sucker in terms of drafting, getting duped into buying more lemons than the average person.

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...Which I must insist is untrue. The fact is 1 in 5 top 5 picks will bust. The fact is about half (probably more, iirc) the picks won't make it into the league. After that, many won't even make it into a rotation.

Getting Big Baby and Perk late and having them contribute in contenders is a home run.

Even if you, like CoachBo, don't think much at all of Rondo, he's still at the very very least a rotation player in some very competitive teams. Consider some of the best players out of the '06 draft: Lemarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay, Paul Millsap, Brandon Roy, J.J. Redick, Bargnani, Kyle Lowry, Ronnie Brewer, Booby Gibson, Thabo Sefolosha, Tyrus Thomas. Even the most vehement of Rondo detractors would have to agree that Rondo's at the very very least on the upper echelon of that list.

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« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2014, 08:16:43 PM »

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Bulls got savings and a conditional first rounder for Deng
LA couldn't get more than 2nd rounders for Pau
Celtics get 3 unprotected first rounders and the right to switch in 2017 for Pierce and KG

From a market perspective, we won the heck out of this trade.

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« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2014, 08:47:38 PM »

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No question. But I love the fact that we will get to revisit this topic again and again w all the Nets first rounders in coming years.
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