safe to say now that Ainge made the right choice with the trade?

[manl_lui]

I would think so...KG is almost non-existent in the series and it sucks seeing him go out this way. Pierce has been on and off

[Fafnir]

Yes Danny made the right move. Making one right move guarantees nothing though, you need to make many to successfully rebuild a franchise.

I do think the standard of the picks must "hit" for the trade to be the right move is a poor one. Minnesota made the right move trading KG, the fact that Big Al blew his ACL and the GMs screwed it up from there doesn't change that fact.

[MISSERY]

if pierce or kg comes back to the nets team, the best way is move one of the coming of the bench, maybe a 6th man player

and if ainge get us big someone like gobert or plumlee or dieng or davis
or guards like oladipo, that's the right thing to say that we made the right choice by trading them, if we got wiggins or parker? we are the super very lucky o have one of them, if ever that happens
because if kg was here? having kelly and faverani, i'd trade bass and add picks anytime, lee would probably be traded since we don't have a legit PG,

but wanting deron lopez joe get a ring, i think they deserve it more, than lewis beasley oden douglas and juan howard who did nothing just to sit and get a ring
i'd rather go to a team where i think i could help and win a ring someday rather than going to a team with the best player and say i won a ring just by sitting on the bench,

[fairweatherfan]

It's been safe for a while now...honestly the trade was an emotional hit but always seemed like we were getting a ton of value for very little left in the KG/PP tanks.

As lousy as this season was I think I'd prefer it to watching KG + PP hobbling around leading the team to 35-40 wins and maybe the 8 seed. 

And I hope one or both of them comes back for a swan song next year but I doubt it.

[hpantazo]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

[hpantazo]

The only drawback to the deal was a loss of ticket sales this year and next for Wyc and co. That's it.

[bdm860]

It's been safe for a while now...honestly the trade was an emotional hit but always seemed like we were getting a ton of value for very little left in the KG/PP tanks.

As lousy as this season was I think I'd prefer it to watching KG + PP hobbling around leading the team to 35-40 wins and maybe the 8 seed. 

And I hope one or both of them comes back for a swan song next year but I doubt it.

Ironically though, the way the Pacers looked in the 1st round, if the C's had the 8th seed, they'd probably be playing Washington right now.

I mean, definitely the right move to trade Pierce and KG, echoing the statements that we've known this for a while, but the way the playoffs have worked out so far, ECF wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for an 8 seed Celtics this year.  Fools gold for sure, but just think of all the fans saying "shame on you for not believing" and "I told you Danny was right to keep it together" and "let's bring it back and try it one more time..."

[CoachBo]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

[hpantazo]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

That doesn't make sense. It's like saying that if someone gives you $5000 for your old, beat up car that you were going to put in the junkyard in a year, but you spend that $5000 on horse racing and lose it, you were better off struggling with the old car for a year and then getting nothing for it.

Just because you blow the assets doesn't mean it wasn't a no-brainer to make the deal for the assets. As much as I love Pierce and KG, watching them play this year and possibly next year on the celtics would have been as bad as trying to get an old, beat up car to start every morning and hoping it doesn't poop out on you at any minute. I would rather remember them fondly. 

[paidthecost2betheboss]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

Loyalty?
P.P. looked dead at the camera in February 2013 and said he wasn't interested in being a part of a re-build. He did it before and wasn't interested in doing it again. That's fair. He was very very clear about the rebuild= no thank you. He said it to the press and no doubt Danny and Co. Recently he said he wanted to be the first Celt to open a restaurant in the Boston area after he retires and he had nothing but praise for Boston and gave not a hint of animosity  based on broken loyalty. Loyalty? That's not an issue with paul. Not for Paul. Maybe fans? Paul is in the 2nd round of the playoffs. He's not in Milwaukee throwing darts at pics of Ainge.

Let's remember Paul in his own words.

[slamtheking]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

oh please.  in another thread you were spouting on about how this franchise is all about winning and championships and now you're all about sentimentality?  I think what the real core issue for you is that Danny traded your 2 binkies and you're still ticked off about it.  With the only 2 players I haven't seen you complain about now in a different uniform, all I've seen in your posts is a consistant bashing of everyone still on the team or in the front office.

as for Danny's draft record, he's doing pretty well in my book.  The only obvious missteps were Giddens and Fab.  Everyone else was
A) a solid pick proven through their play
B) a solid pick where they were selected in the draft with no one selected behind them being an obviously better choice
the one exception you might be able to point to is the decision to pass on Parsons.

I stand by my earlier assertion that once KG's decline became evident this season, there was no denying Danny made the smart move.  Hpantzaso's analogy is on the money in this case.  Regardless of what Danny does with those picks, he at least has the chance to improve this team whereas if he held on to KG and PP we'd have nothing except maybe some souvenirs from KG's retirement tour (I have little doubt this would be it for him if he was still a Celtic).

[BballTim]

I don't agree with the comments that the jury is still out until we see what Ainge does with the picks. We clearly won the trade and made the right move. In addition to the fact that Pierce and KG would not have gottenus anywhere near contention this year , it's been on obvious that Rondo is nowhere near recovered enough from his knee surgery to have helped contend his year either. We would have been stuck in mediocrity with KG and Pierce retiring and no assets to build with. It was clearly the right move regardless of what we do with the assets because the alternative was much worse.

Completely and thoroughly disagree, given the mixed bag that is Ainge's drafting record and the loyalty questions that have been raised above.

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

  Everyone's drafting record is a mixed bag, and Danny's is better than most. And it's not like we gave up much basketball-wise.

[LooseCannon]

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

If Ainge died of a heart attack tomorrow and the new GM made bad choices, drafting players that Ainge wouldn't, or using the Nets picks to make a bad trade, that wouldn't flip the trade from a good one to a bad one.

[Lucky17]

Yeah, I've got no truck with Ainge's drafting record at all.

Picking Giddens wasn't the misstep, it was making the promise to pick Giddens. Reneging on that promise might have yielded a better player, but could have damaged Ainge's reputation/ability to make future deals down the line.

[saltlover]

The return on the Nets' "assets" matters. It matters a lot.

If Ainge died of a heart attack tomorrow and the new GM made bad choices, drafting players that Ainge wouldn't, or using the Nets picks to make a bad trade, that wouldn't flip the trade from a good one to a bad one.

I mostly agree, with an exception.  If Ainge, or another GM, decides to use draft picks to get rid of Wallace's contract, that should count against things.  On the other hand, if we're able to get nice things from Bogans' non-guaranteed contract or the trade exception, that should continue to count positively. 

But no, the result of the draft picks themselves shouldn't matter, as there is expected value from those picks, but the notion of "expected value" accounts for the inherent uncertainty in draft picks.