Report: C's unlikely to return to 4-year, $24mill deal for Bradley

[footey]

Meh. Whatever DA wants to do. he can get rid of everyone on the team for all I care IF it makes us better.

Sometimes Danny screws up by letting players go.  For example, Tony Allen.

[Fred Roberts]

...  I can't say I was overwhelmed with Bradley's performance last year, but he's a 23 year old kid that's increased his scoring average every year, has been one of the best defensive guards in the league, and who hit 40% of his three pointers last year.  He also seems like a good kid, who doesn't get himself in trouble off the court and who seemed to respond well to coaching.

He's got flaws, notable the injuries.  He looked to be jacking some shots last year, but it's hard to know if that was something he was forcing or something the coaching staff wanted him to do (he was one of the C's best offensive players). 

But, if you think you're getting this kid for 3/$12....  forget about that.  Too young, too talented, too much upside.  He'd fit on a young team like the C's looking to rebuild, or as a bulldog defensive combo guard for contenders.  If he'd sign a 3/$12M deal, you'd sign him to that in a cocaine heartbeat, but that's irrelevant because that's not happening.  The question is whether Danny wants to match when the offers start coming in at the full MLE or above.

What team is offering that type of money?

Let me hit my Rolodex and I'll let you know.

I don't see any reason that AB would only get about half of Tony Allen's contract (TA was what, 4/$20?).  TA's more valuable defensively because he's bigger and can match up against more players, but he's also eight years older, has no real "upside" at this point, has had his own injury issues over the years...  and shot 12% and 23% from deep these past two years.  AB's a flawed player, but AB >>> TA offensively.

And...  pretty much any team in the league can use a player like AB, either in a starting role like for the C's last year, or as a third guard who can be a game-changer defensively.

3/$12 is a pipe dream.

Don't forget TA had to slog through a few contracts at about $3M per year before he got this latest pay day . .. which was years in the making. He may have a $20M deal now, but his career earnings to date after 10 years are only $23M. Young dudes have to pay their dues . .. Perk's 2nd contract was a reasonable 4 years / $16M. TA's was much smaller. . .maybe a 1 or 2 year deal at $2.5M per w/ the Celtics.

Avery is nearly on the level with TA defensively, but much slighter. TA is a true stud on D. Avery's offense has gaping holes, but is crafty with the cuts (like TA) and much better mid and longer range shots. Give him the nod there. Both cannot handle the ball at all. I think the $4M per year rate for 2-4 years is where Avery should go at this point given development to date and injury history. Once he shows more, he'll get paid for it. No question.

[GreenWarrior]

Meh. Whatever DA wants to do. he can get rid of everyone on the team for all I care IF it makes us better.

Sometimes Danny screws up by letting players go.  For example, Tony Allen.

tony allen just wanted out. he wanted a chance to go to a team where he'd play more and have a better chance of starting.

[pearljammer10]

Meh. Whatever DA wants to do. he can get rid of everyone on the team for all I care IF it makes us better.

Sometimes Danny screws up by letting players go.  For example, Tony Allen.

tony allen just wanted out. he wanted a chance to go to a team where he'd play more and have a better chance of starting.

Yeah you really can't fault the GM if the player wants to go somewhere else. They can throw all the money in the world to a player but if they want to be in a different situation, then the decision is ultimately theirs.

[D.o.s.]

Meh. Whatever DA wants to do. he can get rid of everyone on the team for all I care IF it makes us better.

Sometimes Danny screws up by letting players go.  For example, Tony Allen.

tony allen just wanted out. he wanted a chance to go to a team where he'd play more and have a better chance of starting.

That's true -- but I believe the actual point of contention over the Celtics contract was that Ainge was only willing to offer three years, when Allen wanted four.

[wdleehi]

Meh. Whatever DA wants to do. he can get rid of everyone on the team for all I care IF it makes us better.

Sometimes Danny screws up by letting players go.  For example, Tony Allen.

tony allen just wanted out. he wanted a chance to go to a team where he'd play more and have a better chance of starting.

The mistake was not overbidding to keep TA (reports were he offered a similar deal), the mistake was not finding a suitable replacement after he left.

[McHales Pits]

I believe when TA left he took a 3 year, 9 million dollar deal. Lets call that for what it was...a mistake

[GreenWarrior]

i'm on the fence about AB. he's improved beyond just being a "back-door cutter" offensively for sure but I tend to think those mid range jumpers he's taking are bad shots that go unnoticed because he made a lot of 'em. they're fine if it's late in the shot clock but a lot of 'em I seem to recall were taken early in the shot clock and if he's not hitting those it quickly became a waste of a possession. also put a lot of stress on our D.

speaking of D. this was one area I didn't hear mentioned all season when it comes to AB. I almost feel his improved offense came at the expense of his defense. it just seemed the one thing you'd expect to see from AB going into a season was some key defensive stops...and it just didn't seem to happen this yr.

some team will definitely pay him what he's looking for on reputation alone and seeing his improved offensive numbers. just not sure it should be us.

[McHales Pits]

I think I am in the minority here, but if DA can bring back Bradley for 4/24 it is a no brainier. That isn't suffocating money and he still has upside and trade value. We need more talent on this squad - not less - so I hope to see him stay.

[GreenWarrior]

I believe when TA left he took a 3 year, 9 million dollar deal. Lets call that for what it was...a mistake

well, they did make the finals after allen left, with legitimate shots at winning another title. so i'll say ainge just had a different vision than you.

I felt they should have kept him but it made me think they had faith in AB filling that tony allen role.

[GreenWarrior]

I think I am in the minority here, but if DA can bring back Bradley for 4/24 it is a no brainier. That isn't suffocating money and he still has upside and trade value. We need more talent on this squad - not less - so I hope to see him stay.

absolutely, if they can bring him back at a number they're comfortable with then i'm ok with it. I don't see ainge putting us in a position to make us unflexible.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Avery has done great things, but I would be alright if he doesnt return.

I think he's worth $5 million per year, a million short of the offered money, but anything more than that is overpaying.

We may not be able to get a player with his tenacious level of defensive play, but I think we can get someone closer, who's got better size and durability for the money Bradley may ask for.

[kozlodoev]

I'm not giving a 4-year contract to a player that seemingly cannot stay on the court. Too much of a risk. Draft a perimeter player and move on.

[Evantime34]

I'm a huge Bradley fan, but at this point it makes more sense to offer him the qualifying offer and then let the market dictate how much he is going to make. After that the FO can make a decision based on what his market value is.

[Tr1boy]

He will get offers for 6.5 million a year somewhere. Danny might or might not match. But it sounds like he is not going to initiate an offer. If ab gets 7 million a yr, see you later. 6 or less , he will match.

It doesnt mean though AB willbe set to be the starting sg for the long term