Our power forwards

[celticmania]

While both guys have shown that they are very talented and can be starters in the NBA, I think both guys should be used  primarily as power forwards. It would be best if one of those guys starts and the other comes off the bench. One of these two talented big men would ideally be paired with a legimate rim-protector type center. Some guys think Asik would be that guy, others say we should target Embiid  if we win a top 3 pick. Some people even suggest that we should go after Larry Sanders. So who's the guy that deserves more minutes and to be the fulltime starter. On one hand Sullinger had a better year overall. On the other hand, Kelly Olynyk came on strong towards the end of the season. Also Jared Sullinger wasn't exactly efficient this season. Im interested in seeing you guys' answers to the followimg questions:
1. Who's better ?
2. Who has more potential?
3 . Who is going to be the starter next year?
4. Will one be our pf and the other our center?
5. What center would you like to be paired with one of our power forwards?

[Mazingerz]

I see it this way, K.O. and Sully can both start.

[celticmania]

I see it this way, K.O. and Sully can both start.

The lack of rim protection would  be a problem

[LooseCannon]

My philosophy on bigs is that you want at least one on the floor who can protect the rim and one on the floor who can spread the floor a bit.  It's okay if one guy does both. 

One might assume that this means I favor Olynyk over Sullinger since KO had the much better 3P%, but Sullinger had a better shooting percentage on mid-range jumpers and an acceptable 3P% in certain situations (specifically pick-and-pop).

I think Olynyk has more potential, but Sullinger has the head start in terms of NBA experience and just playing as a big man.  I think playing them together is a bit questionable since neither is a rim-protector, but having strong perimeter defenders can help mitigate some of the problems that poses.  So, Sullinger probably starts as the incumbent, but I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk surpasses him during the season.  I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk remains firmly behind him on the depth chart for the entire time they are teammates.  The keys are three-point shooting and defense.  Obviously, from what I have written, I want a center who can protect the rim to go with Sullinger and Olynyk.  I like both guys but not so much that I would make one of them a deal-breaker in a possible trade for a legitimate superstar.

[Mazingerz]

My philosophy on bigs is that you want at least one on the floor who can protect the rim and one on the floor who can spread the floor a bit.  It's okay if one guy does both. 

One might assume that this means I favor Olynyk over Sullinger since KO had the much better 3P%, but Sullinger had a better shooting percentage on mid-range jumpers and an acceptable 3P% in certain situations (specifically pick-and-pop).

I think Olynyk has more potential, but Sullinger has the head start in terms of NBA experience and just playing as a big man.  I think playing them together is a bit questionable since neither is a rim-protector, but having strong perimeter defenders can help mitigate some of the problems that poses.  So, Sullinger probably starts as the incumbent, but I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk surpasses him during the season.  I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk remains firmly behind him on the depth chart for the entire time they are teammates.  The keys are three-point shooting and defense.  Obviously, from what I have written, I want a center who can protect the rim to go with Sullinger and Olynyk.  I like both guys but not so much that I would make one of them a deal-breaker in a possible trade for a legitimate superstar.

But which of the two would you part with? I'd give up sully.
But what if the other team asks for both? Unless its Michael Jordan in his prime or Larry Bird in his prime. No thanks

[kozlodoev]

Olynyk has seemed more reliable and polished overall, and comes without the injury issues.

I'd package Sullinger out of town if the right deal comes along. He's a shiny piece to dangle right now, given that he's got some big games for us this season.

[Rondo9]

Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

[Celtics4ever]

Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

Olynyk on the other hand could get stronger.   His shot showed improvement throughout the year.   He has a higher basketball IQ than Sully.   His confidence once it improved helped his game.   Oly is also seven foot at the end of the day and has better handles than Sully.  One could tell this kid was working out during the season.    He struggled more than Sully did with the transition to the NBA.   Like I said, Sully already thinks he is good.   I don't think Kelly does and he will work at his game more.   He is seven foot tall and that raises his potential even more.

[BballTim]

Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

  That's complete nonsense. It's true he won't get taller, but claiming that a 21 year old big who's played 120 nba games can't improve in most aspects of the game is ridiculous.

[vjcsmoke]

They are both young guys with upside potential.

If I had to trade one, it's probably Sullinger because he has higher trade value and because Olynyk has no health questionmarks for us to worry about.

The Celtics needs remain the same - a rim protecting 5 and a true scoring SG.  We have neither atm.

If we can upgrade on Jeff Green, I'm also all for that.  We could resign AB, as long as his dollar demands are reasonable.

In the draft, if we don't get a top 3 pick, I see us taking Vonleh or Gordon early, then probably a guy like McDaniels, Warren, or Capela with #17.

Personally I'm a big fan of McDaniels at #17 because of his superior athleticism, defense/rebounding, and positional flexibility.  He's tall enough and quick enough to guard both the 2 and 3 position easily.

[D.o.s.]

My philosophy on bigs is that you want at least one on the floor who can protect the rim and one on the floor who can spread the floor a bit.  It's okay if one guy does both. 

One might assume that this means I favor Olynyk over Sullinger since KO had the much better 3P%, but Sullinger had a better shooting percentage on mid-range jumpers and an acceptable 3P% in certain situations (specifically pick-and-pop).

I think Olynyk has more potential, but Sullinger has the head start in terms of NBA experience and just playing as a big man.  I think playing them together is a bit questionable since neither is a rim-protector, but having strong perimeter defenders can help mitigate some of the problems that poses.  So, Sullinger probably starts as the incumbent, but I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk surpasses him during the season.  I wouldn't be shocked if Olynyk remains firmly behind him on the depth chart for the entire time they are teammates.  The keys are three-point shooting and defense.  Obviously, from what I have written, I want a center who can protect the rim to go with Sullinger and Olynyk.  I like both guys but not so much that I would make one of them a deal-breaker in a possible trade for a legitimate superstar.

I'd agree with this.

[nzea]

Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

Olynyk on the other hand could get stronger.   His shot showed improvement throughout the year.   He has a higher basketball IQ than Sully.   His confidence once it improved helped his game.   Oly is also seven foot at the end of the day and has better handles than Sully.  One could tell this kid was working out during the season.    He struggled more than Sully did with the transition to the NBA.   Like I said, Sully already thinks he is good.   I don't think Kelly does and he will work at his game more.   He is seven foot tall and that raises his potential even more.

A) He had back surgery, not a disregard for diet and conditioning.

B) Sullinger has a 7'3 wingspan now. Olynyk's is 6'10. Height only means so much nowadays.

C) Olynyk is 2 years older than Sully, so there's that.

D) Sullinger's ceiling is 20/10 while playing within a team defense and defending his position well.

E) Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk? You make claims about their personalities that paints Sully as a fat, cocky guy who's too lazy to work, and Olynyk as a hardworking white kid trying to make it in a game dominated by more athletic players. Both are leaders, so unless you know these things for yourself, maybe we should stick to on-court stuff.   

[Donoghus]

Both are expendable in my eyes.

Long term?  I think Olynyk may end up having the better career but I wouldn't hesitate to move either in package deals that could upgrade this team.

[D.o.s.]

Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

Olynyk on the other hand could get stronger.   His shot showed improvement throughout the year.   He has a higher basketball IQ than Sully.   His confidence once it improved helped his game.   Oly is also seven foot at the end of the day and has better handles than Sully.  One could tell this kid was working out during the season.    He struggled more than Sully did with the transition to the NBA.   Like I said, Sully already thinks he is good.   I don't think Kelly does and he will work at his game more.   He is seven foot tall and that raises his potential even more.

A) He had back surgery, not a disregard for diet and conditioning.

B) Sullinger has a 7'3 wingspan now. Olynyk's is 6'10. Height only means so much nowadays.

C) Olynyk is 2 years older than Sully, so there's that.

D) Sullinger's ceiling is 20/10 while playing within a team defense and defending his position well.

E) Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk? You make claims about their personalities that paints Sully as a fat, cocky guy who's too lazy to work, and Olynyk as a hardworking white kid trying to make it in a game dominated by more athletic players. Both are leaders, so unless you know these things for yourself, maybe we should stick to on-court stuff.

Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk?

[2short]

Both are expendable in my eyes.

Long term?  I think Olynyk may end up having the better career but I wouldn't hesitate to move either in package deals that could upgrade this team.

In a nutshell
I think sully has a better chance being part of a Kevin love deal as his contract is closer to  AND he gas showcased more so far in his career.
Who has the bigger ceiling??
Unknown.  I see sully as a quality starting power forward but only if we had a Noah or asik as starting center.  Kelly I see as again starting pf material depending on the center but also a guy who can next year give u minutes a both backup c and pf.
Sully is a good passer, Kelly better.  Sully is the better rebounder but Kelly is quite good and to me not far off.  Sully us the better defender by 3 steps.  I'd give offense right now to end of the season Kelly with potential in his favor as well
Main thing is I like Brandon bass, Kelly humph rise, Kelly olynyk, Jared sullinger.  Someone(s) going