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Who's our power forward of the future ?

Jared Sullinger
13 (41.9%)
Kelly Olynyk
11 (35.5%)
Neither
7 (22.6%)

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Re: Our power forwards
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2014, 09:08:14 PM »

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Sullinger has a 7'3 wingspan now. Olynyk's is 6'10. Height only means so much nowadays.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jared-Sullinger-5029/

You can disagree but adding inches that are not there is pretty low   He has a 7'1.25" wingspan.  Your close but you clearly added 1.75".  These are facts not opinions.  Wingspan helps but it helps to have your shoulders higher than the other guys too when your reaching for rebounds.  Neither of these guys are rim protectors.

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A) He had back surgery, not a disregard for diet and conditioning.

What is his excuse at the end of the season for still being fat and the love handles.  Are you his father?  Sorry not buying it.   Maybe first 1-2 months I could buy it.  I realize he is never going to be slim but he isn't exactly hiring a nutritionist too.  Next excuse, please.

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D) Sullinger's ceiling is 20/10 while playing within a team defense and defending his position well.

Plays D well, that is joke.  Taller players destroy him a lot.  That being said he can play but the same could be said of Olynyk when he got minutes at the end of the season.  He also shot the rock better.

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Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk? You make claims about their personalities that paints Sully as a fat, cocky guy who's too lazy to work, and Olynyk as a hardworking white kid trying to make it in a game dominated by more athletic players. Both are leaders, so unless you know these things for yourself, maybe we should stick to on-court stuff.

No where did I make claims about their personalties. I mention their work ethic and basketball IQs.   Big difference between those and personality.   Sully worked on his three point shot last summer.   Yet he still shot 26%.  There is training and going through the motions.   I have not met either but then I never claimed too.   As for the black white thing how do you know I am white?   You don't.

Look at their collegiate careers. Sully came in good and Oly worked hard to become a player.   Sully was a stud from the start and Oly played behind Sacre.   Oly worked hard and became a player over the last year of his career.   Sully is basically the same guy he was in college.   Good player with skills but has not added a lot to his game.   What he has tried to add he is horrible at, the three point shot.   He is a superb low post threat who uses his body for position but he has been that since day one.  Oly was hot during summer league, got cold during regular season ( and you seem to forget he was battling injuries too) but honed his jumper to be nasty and at the end of the season he was nailing threes.   I think Sully is the better player now.

I get he might be your favorite player, but don't let this blind you.  I think both of them have definite limitations and would not mind seeing them moved for the right piece.  I think Oly has more potential left in him.  Sully is what he is since his freshmen year of college.   That is still pretty good.

Ainge himself stated:
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Ainge stressed several times that he believes Jared Sullinger – hindered by excess weight during what was a fine second season – will work himself into shape this summer. Obviously, that would be important for Sullinger, who is big, smart, productive and still the youngest player on the Celtics roster. The power forward had some monster games, but struggled with inconsistency and saw some real slippage over the second half of the year.

“I think that that’s a case – I can say with a handful of our players – I think that as you mature and you learn how to work harder, and with more intensity, and you learn how to push yourself to max effort, I think the players can get better,” Ainge said. “I think that Jared is still very young and I don’t think he understands yet how good he is. He’s heard it. He’s heard it from a lot of people: his father, from his agent, to his coaches, how good he can be. But until he believes how good he can be and really puts the time in … And I really do believe that Jared will this summer and is going to, and be in better shape next year.”

Added Ainge: “Jared was in very good shape for the draft and had a good year last year, as we all know, before his (back injury that ended his rookie midway through). And then this year he was held back just because of the back surgery. During the season, and trying to do the conditioning and strength, and playing a lot of minutes after back surgery, there was a lot of challenges that way. And I’m not making excuses for Jared. I just feel like this first summer … he’ll be able to go all out with just one focus, and just focus on his conditioning. And I think he will do a really good job of that.”

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/04/boston_celtics_rumors_2014_dan_2.html

I hope he does come in better shape.

Re: Our power forwards
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2014, 10:24:40 PM »

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Youtube comes through with a nice, little Klynyk rookie season mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d36nVUG67pA
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Our power forwards
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2014, 09:26:20 AM »

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Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

Olynyk on the other hand could get stronger.   His shot showed improvement throughout the year.   He has a higher basketball IQ than Sully.   His confidence once it improved helped his game.   Oly is also seven foot at the end of the day and has better handles than Sully.  One could tell this kid was working out during the season.    He struggled more than Sully did with the transition to the NBA.   Like I said, Sully already thinks he is good.   I don't think Kelly does and he will work at his game more.   He is seven foot tall and that raises his potential even more.

A) He had back surgery, not a disregard for diet and conditioning.

B) Sullinger has a 7'3 wingspan now. Olynyk's is 6'10. Height only means so much nowadays.

C) Olynyk is 2 years older than Sully, so there's that.

D) Sullinger's ceiling is 20/10 while playing within a team defense and defending his position well.

E) Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk? You make claims about their personalities that paints Sully as a fat, cocky guy who's too lazy to work, and Olynyk as a hardworking white kid trying to make it in a game dominated by more athletic players. Both are leaders, so unless you know these things for yourself, maybe we should stick to on-court stuff.

1. How many flagrant fouls has Sully had this year?  How about Olynyk?

2. How many domestic violence cases has Sully had? Olynyk?

3. Sully said his dad had to get in his face about being lazy and having an attitude problem.  Has anybody said something similar about Olynyk?

There are many hints at the personalities of these players. You don't need to know them personally to see the signs.

Youtube comes through with a nice, little Klynyk rookie season mix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d36nVUG67pA

Re: Our power forwards
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2014, 08:51:17 AM »

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I see it this way, K.O. and Sully can both start.
The lack of rim protection would  be a problem

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Re: Our power forwards
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2014, 11:49:17 AM »

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Sullinger has more potential moving forward.

I completely disagree with this statement.   He isn't going to get taller, more athletic and has shown a disregard for conditioning and diet.   The beginning of the year once could chalk it up to surgery but as the season wore on it didn't improve much at all.   He is already very skilled and saavy.  The only area he could improve on is his three point shooting (.26%) and the kid already thinks he is Kyler Korver there.   His ceiling is finite but he is already a better player who is confident.   But as far as potential he has almost made the max of his already.

Olynyk on the other hand could get stronger.   His shot showed improvement throughout the year.   He has a higher basketball IQ than Sully.   His confidence once it improved helped his game.   Oly is also seven foot at the end of the day and has better handles than Sully.  One could tell this kid was working out during the season.    He struggled more than Sully did with the transition to the NBA.   Like I said, Sully already thinks he is good.   I don't think Kelly does and he will work at his game more.   He is seven foot tall and that raises his potential even more.

A) He had back surgery, not a disregard for diet and conditioning.

B) Sullinger has a 7'3 wingspan now. Olynyk's is 6'10. Height only means so much nowadays.

C) Olynyk is 2 years older than Sully, so there's that.

D) Sullinger's ceiling is 20/10 while playing within a team defense and defending his position well.

E) Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk? You make claims about their personalities that paints Sully as a fat, cocky guy who's too lazy to work, and Olynyk as a hardworking white kid trying to make it in a game dominated by more athletic players. Both are leaders, so unless you know these things for yourself, maybe we should stick to on-court stuff.

Have you ever met Sully or Olynyk?

As someone who has, They're both extremely well humored. You can tell just in conversation, their affinity with butt busting. I will not rule out pot smoking on either end, but both have leadership potential and ridiculous bbiq for rookies/sophomores. I couldn't decide on one if they paid me to do so.
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