Green, Bradley, KO play better without Rondo

[Tr1boy]

I was big on trading both Green and AB(or not resigning him in the offseason), but without Rondo (or Jcraw) these past few games (for the majority of the season actually), they have looked like guys you want to keep.  If Rondo is traded and say we don't draft a Wiggins, i would like to keep both of these guys to help with the rebuild.  KO also has played much better without Rondo on the floor.  Goes to show you, Rondo has no clue on how to maximize KO's capability on the offensive end.   I'am not stating KO is like Karl Malone or anything and needs to be primal focus of our offense, but Pressey, Bayless are able to bring out the best of him on a more consistent basis. He can help the team

Bottom line is, it hasn't worked between Green and Rondo. Little to no chemistry. He also has no idea how to bring out the best out of KO.  The issue imo has to do with Rondo holding the ball too much, instead of letting these guys be active facilitators once in a while.

 If Rondo is here to stay, better to trade both of these guys (especially Green) and get players that may work better with Rondo.  For example if we can't trade our picks for big names, can't draft top level prospects, guys like TJ Warren, Mcdermott, Stauskus, James Young, CJ Wilcox would be better fits for the team, and half court, set play style basketball Rondo likes to play. If Rondo is traded, drafting Exum, Smart or Ennis and resigning Pressey would work better with this current lineup. 

[Pucaccia]

I agree with you premise and the stats even though a small sample seem to back it up. My solution is quite easy and ironic. We need to train Rondo to model his game after Phil Pressey. Push the ball, be a pest and get everyone set up fast. If Rondo can think less and go back to what he use to be then we will be a lot better.  If you remember, Pierce was retrained when Doc took over, now Rondo has to be redeveloped.

If he doesn't  redevelop, he needs to be traded immediately because even though his stats are good he doesn't make anyone better and that is what a point guard should do.

[droopdog7]

I agree with you premise and the stats even though a small sample seem to back it up. My solution is quite easy and ironic. We need to train Rondo to model his game after Phil Pressey. Push the ball, be a pest and get everyone set up fast. If Rondo can think less and go back to what he use to be then we will be a lot better.  If you remember, Pierce was retrained when Doc took over, now Rondo has to be redeveloped.

If he doesn't  redevelop, he needs to be traded immediately because even though his stats are good he doesn't make anyone better and that is what a point guard should do.

For years, we argued about just how valuable Rondo is to us and would be in a trade.  Some call him a superstar and others a scrub.  It has become clear, that the truth is somewhere in between.  Rondo is no star.  Not really close.  DA, IMO, has known this all along which clearly explains why he has attempted to trade Rondo at every turn.  DA wanted to sell high, which is what GM's do (not say, he stinks, trade him).  Unfortunately, other teams were wise on Rondo and his true worth.

I know Rondo is hurt.  But even last year, when he got hurt, we did not see a huge drop off.  Shoot, we saw a short term gain. 

As for changing Rondo, forget it.  He is what he is.  If it was that easy, then we would train Pressey to play like (fill in the blank).

Not saying that Rondo can't push the tempo more.  But he has the same flaws he's always had.  He pounds the ball and he can't shoot.  If traded, the other team would have to believe that a Rondo dominated offense would lead to great success, because anything else would not be Rondo.  Rondo is fairly worthless off the ball.  So getting the ball out of his hands more just leads to guys getting doubled off of Rondo.

[D.o.s.]

My gif...

Today is no fun Sunday, I guess.

Anyway, I actually am much more resistant to trading Rondo now than I was in 2010. If we'd had Chris Paul in 2010, we would've won that Finals series. I remain convinced of that.

Now, though, there's absolutely no reason to get rid of Rondo -- certainly not to further the development of people like Avery and KO.

[LarBrd33]

Dunno if I agree about KO.  Check his stats.  He's been on fire for two straight months, but only gettin 20 minutes.  Last night he got starters minutes and delivered.

[BballTim]

My gif...

Today is no fun Sunday, I guess.

Anyway, I actually am much more resistant to trading Rondo now than I was in 2010. If we'd had Chris Paul in 2010, we would've won that Finals series. I remain convinced of that.

Now, though, there's absolutely no reason to get rid of Rondo -- certainly not to further the development of people like Avery and KO.

  If we had CP we'd have beaten the Lakers. If Rondo was a little healthier we'd have beaten the Lakers. But then if we'd have had CP3 we might have been watching another team play in the finals because Rondo was the driving force in our beating the Cavs that year.

[clover]

Dunno if I agree about KO.  Check his stats.  He's been on fire for two straight months, but only gettin 20 minutes.  Last night he got starters minutes and delivered.

KO made a point after the game last night saying that he liked to be able to have the ball in his hands some on offense, so he could create a little for himself and others.

[D.o.s.]

Dunno if I agree about KO.  Check his stats.  He's been on fire for two straight months, but only gettin 20 minutes.  Last night he got starters minutes and delivered.

I know NickN has gotten a lot of grief for talking ish on KO, but, unlike him I remain convinced that the dude is only getting one more NBA contract once his rookie deal is up.

My gif...

Today is no fun Sunday, I guess.

Anyway, I actually am much more resistant to trading Rondo now than I was in 2010. If we'd had Chris Paul in 2010, we would've won that Finals series. I remain convinced of that.

Now, though, there's absolutely no reason to get rid of Rondo -- certainly not to further the development of people like Avery and KO.

  If we had CP we'd have beaten the Lakers. If Rondo was a little healthier we'd have beaten the Lakers. But then if we'd have had CP3 we might have been watching another team play in the finals because Rondo was the driving force in our beating the Cavs that year.

This is the unproven, uncommitted upon injury from 2010, right?

Tell me more about how Chemtrails and Stonehenge mean that the government was behind Hurricane Sandy.

[BballTim]

Dunno if I agree about KO.  Check his stats.  He's been on fire for two straight months, but only gettin 20 minutes.  Last night he got starters minutes and delivered.

I know NickN has gotten a lot of grief for talking ish on KO, but, unlike him I remain convinced that the dude is only getting one more NBA contract once his rookie deal is up.

My gif...

Today is no fun Sunday, I guess.

Anyway, I actually am much more resistant to trading Rondo now than I was in 2010. If we'd had Chris Paul in 2010, we would've won that Finals series. I remain convinced of that.

Now, though, there's absolutely no reason to get rid of Rondo -- certainly not to further the development of people like Avery and KO.

  If we had CP we'd have beaten the Lakers. If Rondo was a little healthier we'd have beaten the Lakers. But then if we'd have had CP3 we might have been watching another team play in the finals because Rondo was the driving force in our beating the Cavs that year.

This is the unproven, uncommitted upon injury from 2010, right?

Tell me more about how Chemtrails and Stonehenge mean that the government was behind Hurricane Sandy.

  Yes, the injury that you found evidence of. Check out his stats for those playoffs before and after he left that game with the injury. If you weren't able to figure out that he was injured by watching him play (like so many others here) you can at least see evidence of the effect it had on his level of play.

[D.o.s.]

 

I stand corrected. Tim's totally right:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5244706

What was the phantom injury we were arguing about, then?

[guava_wrench]

PG didn't matter against the Lakers. What killed us was Wallace's back injury. Wallace was a monster in the first half. In the second half, he was clearly in pain and a shell of himself. He stopped the effective post play of the first half.

So our team was fine that year as composed if not for Wallace's back not lasting the full game. Once Wallace's back was toast, LA's bigs were able to take over.

[Celtics4ever]

They played better last night because of no Sully!   Ridiculous isn't it and exactly how you sound.

[LarBrd33]

Dunno if I agree about KO.  Check his stats.  He's been on fire for two straight months, but only gettin 20 minutes.  Last night he got starters minutes and delivered.

KO made a point after the game last night saying that he liked to be able to have the ball in his hands some on offense, so he could create a little for himself and others.

I didn't catch that.  That's a scathing remark about Rondo's ballhoggery.   I smell a divide between the team's youths (KO, Sully, Vonleh, Bradley) and their vets (Rondo, Bass, Green, Wallace).   I bet they've even called team meetings.  Time to hand over the team to the young guys.

[BballTim]

I stand corrected. Tim's totally right:
http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=5244706

What was the phantom injury we were arguing about, then?

  Honestly, it's not worth re-hashing.

[BballTim]

I was big on trading both Green and AB(or not resigning him in the offseason), but without Rondo (or Jcraw) these past few games (for the majority of the season actually), they have looked like guys you want to keep.  If Rondo is traded and say we don't draft a Wiggins, i would like to keep both of these guys to help with the rebuild.  KO also has played much better without Rondo on the floor.  Goes to show you, Rondo has no clue on how to maximize KO's capability on the offensive end.   I'am not stating KO is like Karl Malone or anything and needs to be primal focus of our offense, but Pressey, Bayless are able to bring out the best of him on a more consistent basis. He can help the team

Bottom line is, it hasn't worked between Green and Rondo. Little to no chemistry. He also has no idea how to bring out the best out of KO.  The issue imo has to do with Rondo holding the ball too much, instead of letting these guys be active facilitators once in a while.

 If Rondo is here to stay, better to trade both of these guys (especially Green) and get players that may work better with Rondo.  For example if we can't trade our picks for big names, can't draft top level prospects, guys like TJ Warren, Mcdermott, Stauskus, James Young, CJ Wilcox would be better fits for the team, and half court, set play style basketball Rondo likes to play. If Rondo is traded, drafting Exum, Smart or Ennis and resigning Pressey would work better with this current lineup.

  Rondo and Bradley haven't been healthy at the same time much but we've seen them play great together at times. Also, Rondo's best month this year was February and Green averaged 20 a game that month. Doesn't prove anything but it's at least as significant as anything you'll be able to take from some end of the season games from a lottery team.