There's no need to be outraged over losses [edited]

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I mean a lot of it is based on a shaky premise.  THe idea that this draft is "epic" and that the top 4 guys have a chance to be the Wade/Bosh/Bron/Melo of 2014.

Let's pretend for a second that the premise isn't completely ridiculous and that Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are all allstars in the making.  Let's say there is a massive drop-off after #4.

There are 3 games left in this season.  This win dropped us from #3 to #5.  By the end of the week we could slip to #7... some bad lotto luck will drop us to #9.  IF you like winning, why wouldn't you root for us to lose?  You wouldn't sacrifice a handful of meaningless games for a shot at securing a franchise player?  I don't understand that at all. 

I feel like the anti-tankers don't get the mindset.  We want to lose, because we like winning more than you do.  I don't want 3 wins and then another 26 win season.  I want 3 losses and a decade of 50+ wins.

And yeah, I get the whole "there is no certainty blah blah blah" dance that the anti-tankers throw out.  Whatever.  If we pretend for a second that the experts are right and Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are beasts... then we should all be 1000% on board with trying to land one of those guys.  If the experts end up being correct and we end up picking 6th thanks to a couple meaningless wins at the tail end of a dreadful 2014 season, I'm pretty certain nobody is going to be happy about it.

BINGO. Some here will never get it. I find it laughable i have only seen a few openly pulling for losses. But some here love to spin things to fit their narrative. They are too ate up to see this season has been lost for quite some time now and the only lining left would be that silver lining of a top draft pick. 

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I mean a lot of it is based on a shaky premise.  THe idea that this draft is "epic" and that the top 4 guys have a chance to be the Wade/Bosh/Bron/Melo of 2014.

Let's pretend for a second that the premise isn't completely ridiculous and that Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are all allstars in the making.  Let's say there is a massive drop-off after #4.

There are 3 games left in this season.  This win dropped us from #3 to #5.  By the end of the week we could slip to #7... some bad lotto luck will drop us to #9.  IF you like winning, why wouldn't you root for us to lose?  You wouldn't sacrifice a handful of meaningless games for a shot at securing a franchise player?  I don't understand that at all. 

I feel like the anti-tankers don't get the mindset.  We want to lose, because we like winning more than you do.  I don't want 3 wins and then another 26 win season.  I want 3 losses and a decade of 50+ wins.

And yeah, I get the whole "there is no certainty blah blah blah" dance that the anti-tankers throw out.  Whatever.  If we pretend for a second that the experts are right and Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are beasts... then we should all be 1000% on board with trying to land one of those guys.  If the experts end up being correct and we end up picking 6th thanks to a couple meaningless wins at the tail end of a dreadful 2014 season, I'm pretty certain nobody is going to be happy about it.

This is exactly right...we as fans, Suffered through this horrid season-because we felt that there was a silver lining to it all. Now, with a Top 3 pick practically in hand---we blow that too...So, it's like we wasted an entire season of being bad, for nothing. Insult to injury, cause Brad wants to win a game. Sucks to feel this way, but I do.

yep. well said. if we are going to blow this season and the draft this late in the game then we should have gone a different route earlier in the season. 

[Mr October]

This is the thread of the year, KGK, and you get my TP. I can't even be mad that it's making fun of me.


My name is sofutomygaha, and I'm a tankaholic. My tankaholism has isolated me from my family, friends, and bar-mates. It has put strain on my marriage. I am a poor example for for my children. I used to be a social tanker... merely indulging in "what if?" conversations among friends and celticsblog posters. In the last few months, though, I've been tanking alone. I wake up and I need that first mock draft just to get me through my morning commute.

After every change in the standings i have obsessively spun that chad ford lottery wheel at least once. It's not good.... 

[nickagneta]

This is the thread of the year, KGK, and you get my TP. I can't even be mad that it's making fun of me.


My name is sofutomygaha, and I'm a tankaholic. My tankaholism has isolated me from my family, friends, and bar-mates. It has put strain on my marriage. I am a poor example for for my children. I used to be a social tanker... merely indulging in "what if?" conversations among friends and celticsblog posters. In the last few months, though, I've been tanking alone. I wake up and I need that first mock draft just to get me through my morning commute.

Brilliant..TP

[KGs Knee]

This is the thread of the year, KGK, and you get my TP. I can't even be mad that it's making fun of me.


My name is sofutomygaha, and I'm a tankaholic. My tankaholism has isolated me from my family, friends, and bar-mates. It has put strain on my marriage. I am a poor example for for my children. I used to be a social tanker... merely indulging in "what if?" conversations among friends and celticsblog posters. In the last few months, though, I've been tanking alone. I wake up and I need that first mock draft just to get me through my morning commute.

Hahahahahahah!!!!!

That is some seriously funny stuff right there.

This post gets three TP's.

-one for the win

-one for 'coming clean'

-one for sheer humor

[pokeKingCurtis]

I mean a lot of it is based on a shaky premise.  THe idea that this draft is "epic" and that the top 4 guys have a chance to be the Wade/Bosh/Bron/Melo of 2014.

Let's pretend for a second that the premise isn't completely ridiculous and that Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are all allstars in the making.  Let's say there is a massive drop-off after #4.

There are 3 games left in this season.  This win dropped us from #3 to #5.  By the end of the week we could slip to #7... some bad lotto luck will drop us to #9.  IF you like winning, why wouldn't you root for us to lose?  You wouldn't sacrifice a handful of meaningless games for a shot at securing a franchise player?  I don't understand that at all. 

I feel like the anti-tankers don't get the mindset.  We want to lose, because we like winning more than you do.  I don't want 3 wins and then another 26 win season.  I want 3 losses and a decade of 50+ wins.

And yeah, I get the whole "there is no certainty blah blah blah" dance that the anti-tankers throw out.  Whatever.  If we pretend for a second that the experts are right and Embiid, Wiggins, Parker and Exum are beasts... then we should all be 1000% on board with trying to land one of those guys.  If the experts end up being correct and we end up picking 6th thanks to a couple meaningless wins at the tail end of a dreadful 2014 season, I'm pretty certain nobody is going to be happy about it.

BINGO. Some here will never get it. I find it laughable i have only seen a few openly pulling for losses. But some here love to spin things to fit their narrative. They are too ate up to see this season has been lost for quite some time now and the only lining left would be that silver lining of a top draft pick.

There's been some pretty reasonable points raised from the non-tanking/not-too-hardcore-tanking side.

But if you're going to brush it all aside as sheer rationalizations from illogical individuals, twisting the "universal truth" of tanking not worthy of consideration...then whatcha gonna do.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

since we have a ridiculous, ignorant, oblivious to the facts, broad brush thread started by the OP about "tankers" how about a thread about guys who want "NBA HELL"?

see how this works?

We can all play this game charlie.   

[sofutomygaha]

since we have a ridiculous, ignorant, oblivious to the facts, broad brush thread started by the OP about "tankers" how about a thread about guys who want "NBA HELL"?

see how this works?

We can all play this game charlie.

I don't understand, but I'm still psyched up by this. Tommy point for you, too. GIVE US NBA HELL!!!

[sadleprechaun]

It's shocking to see how many people on here are still stubbornly insisting that wins are good.  I'm a rational person, so I'm all for tanking.  Losses are wins.  If only Brad could start five members of the Celtics Dancers for these last three games...

[pokeKingCurtis]

It's shocking to see how many people on here are still stubbornly insisting that wins are good.  I'm a rational person, so I'm all for tanking.  Losses are wins.  If only Brad could start five members of the Celtics Dancers for these last three games...

Nobody here is insisting wins are good.

Again, from what I've seen most who don't root for the tank are pretty neutral about it.

since we have a ridiculous, ignorant, oblivious to the facts, broad brush thread started by the OP about "tankers" how about a thread about guys who want "NBA HELL"?

see how this works?

We can all play this game charlie.

But tankers are pretty darn upset about this win. So it works.

How about elaborate on your "NBA HELL" and how it would poke fun at non-tankers in a fairly innocuous, good spirited way?

[esel1000]

Somebody please provide a logical argument that winning this last game or any of the last 3 is beneficial at all... or are you the people who are happy we sat through a losing season so we could mess up our draft stock in the last 4 games playing this awful conference and excuse for playoff teams?

Here's a hint.. when Fakers fans want you to win... its probably not the correct path to be on...

Cheers to talking about our next win... hopefully itll be 14/15

[pokeKingCurtis]

Somebody please provide a logical argument that winning this last game or any of the last 3 is beneficial at all... or are you the people who are happy we sat through a losing season so we could mess up our draft stock in the last 4 games playing this awful conference and excuse for playoff teams?

Here's a hint.. when Fakers fans want you to win... its probably not the correct path to be on...

Cheers to talking about our next win... hopefully itll be 14/15

Since this guy said this...

This is what I see when I read this thread.

"Strategy?  Strategy?  What?  You all are so naive if you believe in a strategy.  All the experts are stupid.  STUPID!  And they don't know anything.  And there is no difference between the 1st pick and the 5th pick and the 18th pick because 2007 and Tim Duncan.  Win every game no matter what.  NO STRATEGY!  And anyone who cares about a long term vision of improving the team through the draft:  IDIOTS!  That's what I call them.  Hustle and win is the only strategy and we will win  the championship if we win games.  Win games!  Cause I love the Celtics, I am blind to any other possible strategy of improving besides:  Win the next game.

I feel like I'm permitted to do this now...okay I was never above this in the first place...but basically...


Tankers: "Gotta lose gotta lose YEAH!  Make it 10 in a row!!!"
[Wins against Bobcats]
Tankers: "We're screwed"
Non-Tankers: "It's not that bad...tanking was never a guarantee anyway. It's one single win...bound to happen..."
Tankers: "YOU WANT US TO WIN!? SHORTSIGHTED FOOLS! Do you understand the implications!? THE IMPLICATIONS!?"

At the end of the day, it's not like ROOTING for the team one way or another makes much of a difference.





That's it for me. I'm not going to further* derail this thread. Hopefully it doesn't go further and goes back to TP for tears, an awesome premise.

[footey]

Tankers = Rationalism (e.g., Albert Einstein)
Anti-Tankers = Emotionalism (see Scarlett O'Hara)

[esel1000]

Somebody please provide a logical argument that winning this last game or any of the last 3 is beneficial at all... or are you the people who are happy we sat through a losing season so we could mess up our draft stock in the last 4 games playing this awful conference and excuse for playoff teams?

Here's a hint.. when Fakers fans want you to win... its probably not the correct path to be on...

Cheers to talking about our next win... hopefully itll be 14/15

Since this guy said this...

This is what I see when I read this thread.

"Strategy?  Strategy?  What?  You all are so naive if you believe in a strategy.  All the experts are stupid.  STUPID!  And they don't know anything.  And there is no difference between the 1st pick and the 5th pick and the 18th pick because 2007 and Tim Duncan.  Win every game no matter what.  NO STRATEGY!  And anyone who cares about a long term vision of improving the team through the draft:  IDIOTS!  That's what I call them.  Hustle and win is the only strategy and we will win  the championship if we win games.  Win games!  Cause I love the Celtics, I am blind to any other possible strategy of improving besides:  Win the next game.

I feel like I'm permitted to do this now...okay I was never above this in the first place...but basically...


Tankers: "Gotta lose gotta lose YEAH!  Make it 10 in a row!!!"
[Wins against Bobcats]
Tankers: "We're screwed"
Non-Tankers: "It's not that bad...tanking was never a guarantee anyway. It's one single win...bound to happen..."
Tankers: "YOU WANT US TO WIN!? SHORTSIGHTED FOOLS! Do you understand the implications!? THE IMPLICATIONS!?"

At the end of the day, it's not like ROOTING for the team one way or another makes much of a difference.





That's it for me. I'm not going to further* derail this thread. Hopefully it doesn't go further and goes back to TP for tears, an awesome premise.

Thats not a logical argument... thats being blinded by the green colored goggles. It was a trick questio, because there is no logical reason to win these last games. Seriously a few wins could be the difference between pick 3-9... meaningless wins...

I know theres no guarentee at an all star or draft position but why ruin our chances with wins that mean nothing? After we sat through this season...

[BballTim]

I feel like the anti-tankers don't get the mindset.  We want to lose, because we like winning more than you do.

  That mindset ranks right up there with "we don't want to see the Celts lose games because we're bigger fans than you are".