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Ainge continues to down play this year's draft class
« on: March 27, 2014, 12:06:16 PM »

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    “I’ve been saying all along that the experts on ESPN and so forth are blowing this draft out of proportion,” Ainge said. “First of all, we don’t even know who’s in the draft yet. There are a lot of underclassmen that are projected, so we’re prepared for those underclassmen that are projected draft picks but we don’t know who’s going to be in the draft.

    “There aren’t any game changers in the draft. There are a lot of nice players and players that we’ll be excited to work into the development, but they’re not going to come in and turn our team around in one year or two years. But hopefully we’ll be able to get a couple of players this year that will be rotation players in the NBA for years to come.”

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/danny-ainge-says-there-are-no-game-changers-in-this-draft-in-short-term-hes-right/

First Take just did a section of their show on these comments and Seth Greenburg at ESPN on First Take completely agreed with Ainge. He called most of the players this year as suspects not prospects. He said every player has major concerns and there are no sure things, even amongst the top 3 or 4 players.

When should fans start to trust what Ainge is saying rather than poo-poo his comments saying they are lies because Ainge is playing games? Ainge called Olynyk a complimentary player. Seems the team has used him in that manner and that KO is pretty much a complimentary player. Ainge called Bradley the best defensive guard in the league right after he drafted him. Turns out he was talking the truth again. He called Melo a major project.

I think its time to trust what Danny is saying about this draft class and temper our expectations regarding how anyone the Celtics get in the draft this year will be helping our team in the near future.

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 12:17:05 PM »

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he's right, this year's draft is really blown out of proportion, before the NCAA season started, everyone was thinking this year's draft was comparable with Lebron's draft class.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2014, 12:18:25 PM »

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I think this is a great draft.  But I agree with Ainge in that I don't think there's anyone who's likely to come in and turn the fortune of a team around in year 1.   Those players are very rare, and normally a bit of a surprise.  Damien Lillard was able to, but Anthony Davis, despite his immense skill and NBA production, has not.

I don't think it's incongruous to think it's a great draft, but that no player in it is going to be an All-Star in year 1 or year 2.  I do think it will produce more All-Star seasons than any draft in several years, once you look at the overall careers of the players.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 12:46:47 PM »

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this draft has no sure-things. a bunch of guys could be great, but the bust-potential is pretty high. i still hope we get the best pick possible, but I will not be surprised if this draft doesn't produce any stars.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 12:57:05 PM »

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    “I’ve been saying all along that the experts on ESPN and so forth are blowing this draft out of proportion,” Ainge said. “First of all, we don’t even know who’s in the draft yet. There are a lot of underclassmen that are projected, so we’re prepared for those underclassmen that are projected draft picks but we don’t know who’s going to be in the draft.

    “There aren’t any game changers in the draft. There are a lot of nice players and players that we’ll be excited to work into the development, but they’re not going to come in and turn our team around in one year or two years. But hopefully we’ll be able to get a couple of players this year that will be rotation players in the NBA for years to come.”

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/danny-ainge-says-there-are-no-game-changers-in-this-draft-in-short-term-hes-right/

First Take just did a section of their show on these comments and Seth Greenburg at ESPN on First Take completely agreed with Ainge. He called most of the players this year as suspects not prospects. He said every player has major concerns and there are no sure things, even amongst the top 3 or 4 players.

When should fans start to trust what Ainge is saying rather than poo-poo his comments saying they are lies because Ainge is playing games? Ainge called Olynyk a complimentary player. Seems the team has used him in that manner and that KO is pretty much a complimentary player. Ainge called Bradley the best defensive guard in the league right after he drafted him. Turns out he was talking the truth again. He called Melo a major project.

I think its time to trust what Danny is saying about this draft class and temper our expectations regarding how anyone the Celtics get in the draft this year will be helping our team in the near future.

exactly what type of "expectations" do you think people have?

It's pretty apparent that Ainge is approaching this draft with a steady and cool head, much like he seems to do with most things. I mean, he even talks about Rondo's impending free agency the same way, and i assume that matter is of utmost importance.

since he's our GM, i'm glad he always takes this approach. That said, I'm not convinced he's saying this draft class is bad or anything close to the sort. i mean, even his first point of "we don't know who will be in the draft" sounds safe and evasive.

And then he says "but they’re not going to come in and turn our team around in one year or two years", which IMO is a perfectly reasonable statement for anyone to say in any year about any draft class. Before Lebron or Durant was drafted, i doubt any GMs went to the media saying "If we're able to draft Durant, he's going to change our team's fortunes in his first two years."

Those are extremely high standards, and as a GM, he could be setting unrealistic expectations for both the player and the fanbase (which will grow to resent the player if expectations are not met). I mean, even Kevin Durant's team won only about 20-23 games in his first two seasons.
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he's right, this year's draft is really blown out of proportion, before the NCAA season started, everyone was thinking this year's draft was comparable with Lebron's draft class.

any draft class is comparable with any other draft class. That's the point of comparison.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2014, 01:32:20 PM »

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    “I’ve been saying all along that the experts on ESPN and so forth are blowing this draft out of proportion,” Ainge said. “First of all, we don’t even know who’s in the draft yet. There are a lot of underclassmen that are projected, so we’re prepared for those underclassmen that are projected draft picks but we don’t know who’s going to be in the draft.

    “There aren’t any game changers in the draft. There are a lot of nice players and players that we’ll be excited to work into the development, but they’re not going to come in and turn our team around in one year or two years. But hopefully we’ll be able to get a couple of players this year that will be rotation players in the NBA for years to come.”

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/26/danny-ainge-says-there-are-no-game-changers-in-this-draft-in-short-term-hes-right/

First Take just did a section of their show on these comments and Seth Greenburg at ESPN on First Take completely agreed with Ainge. He called most of the players this year as suspects not prospects. He said every player has major concerns and there are no sure things, even amongst the top 3 or 4 players.

When should fans start to trust what Ainge is saying rather than poo-poo his comments saying they are lies because Ainge is playing games? Ainge called Olynyk a complimentary player. Seems the team has used him in that manner and that KO is pretty much a complimentary player. Ainge called Bradley the best defensive guard in the league right after he drafted him. Turns out he was talking the truth again. He called Melo a major project.

I think its time to trust what Danny is saying about this draft class and temper our expectations regarding how anyone the Celtics get in the draft this year will be helping our team in the near future.

Nick, I think the key difference between Danny's draft comments and the examples you gave is that in all of the examples he had already made his decision and we had the player.  There was no advantage to deception in your cases.  With regards to the draft it is entirely possible that deception would be to either trade up or give an indication that the pick is up for trades.  What I'm getting at is that we can't put much stock into what Danny is saying about the draft until it happens, whether we agree with his statement or not...

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2014, 01:32:24 PM »

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Taking what ainge said said at face value... Is espn overhyping this draft class? YES!! is it so shocking that he would say that ESPN is overhyping something?

Chad Ford has a history of over talking the positives. He threw out Olajuwon comps for Embiid after just a couple games! Chad Ford also has a history of gushing over the foreign players. hello Yi Jianlan, or whatever his name was.

Is it the run away winner of a draft since 2003 or 2004. No, but it sure looks like it belongs in the conversation with some of the better ones.

And as LilRip said, Ainge is so good at talking and giving honest answers while being cool and evasive. It sets a baseline expectation so that people don't flip out one way or another.

I recall Jackie MacMullan calling Ainge's downplay bluff a little, by saying that Ainge knows this is a draft year that is worth tanking for. I believe Jackie.

Don't get caught in absolutes. This draft looks good, one of the better ones. But the best in the last 10 years, probably not.

I think that most pro Wiggins-Embiid-Parker supporters on this blog have tempered their expectations as well. These guys could be great. No 100% guarantees.

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I agree with Danny.  There are many players I would like in this draft, but I don't see a clear cut winner of the draft class, so I'm okay with whoever we draft/or wherever our place is in the draft. (Top ten  ;D )

Essentially, this means anyone in the top ten could wind up the rookie of the year/pan out as the leader.

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I think he's right; there's no player likely to make an immediate, major impact on winning games.


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I think he's right; there's no player likely to make an immediate, major impact on winning games.

How many people on this blog think the opposite though? I imagine a minority would expect one of these freshman to make an immediate major impact.

In fact, I think the Celtics could take a step backwards in the win loss column by drafting and playing one of these young talented flawed players.

Even Kevin Durant was a 20s game winner for a couple years.

That doesn't mean the draft itself projects as bad or mediocre.

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I think he's right; there's no player likely to make an immediate, major impact on winning games.

How many people on this blog think the opposite though? I imagine a minority would expect one of these freshman to make an immediate major impact.

In fact, I think the Celtics could take a step backwards in the win loss column by drafting and playing one of these young talented flawed players.

Even Kevin Durant was a 20s game winner for a couple years.

That doesn't mean the draft itself projects as bad or mediocre.


Only all-time greats seem to really turn teams around in a season, and most of them have help. 


Of course, it become less likely to happen with players coming out early.  Less time to master their game before they get there.


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I think he's right; there's no player likely to make an immediate, major impact on winning games.

How many people on this blog think the opposite though? I imagine a minority would expect one of these freshman to make an immediate major impact.

In fact, I think the Celtics could take a step backwards in the win loss column by drafting and playing one of these young talented flawed players.

Even Kevin Durant was a 20s game winner for a couple years.

That doesn't mean the draft itself projects as bad or mediocre.

I think what's being said here is that there isn't a transcendent, slam-dunk talent at the top of the draft;  Lew Alcindor, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaq, Duncan, Lebron.

Something along those lines.


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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2014, 02:48:50 PM »

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I get what folks are saying about superstars. However, I haven't heard anyone on this blog claiming that the star freshmen are the next coming of James, Shaq, Duncan. I havent heard anyone claim that by winning the lottery we are going to the finals with few other moves like those players did within a few years in the NBA.

If anything this blog has picked apart their flaws continuously, which helps set an expectation.

The other part of the original post is about listening to Ainge as proof that expectations from this draft class need to be tempered among the fans. Does it though? My feeling is that the target audience, this blog, for the most part has a fairly tempered expectation about what is going to come from this draft.

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I think its time to trust what Danny is saying about this draft class and temper our expectations regarding how anyone the Celtics get in the draft this year will be helping our team in the near future.

I think a player or two in this draft could help the Celtics in the near future. The near future could be 2 or 3 years from now.

Anyway, i feel like a bucket of cold water is being tossed on fans of this draft when it isn't needed.

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I think he's just lowering expectations for next year. Both for the team and for the player the C's pick.