More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic

[slamtheking]

Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score..

No, he isn't. Particularly where the second part of this statement is concerned. He can chuck a lot of long jumpers, and may have big scoring nights when those go down. Ultimately, however, they're still long jumpers -- that is, one of the less efficient shots in the game.

actually the first part is false also.  can't really claim he's a lockdown defender after the way Felton, a middle-of-the-road PG, repeatedly torched him in the playoffs last year.  There weren't any injury excuses for him last year in the playoffs either. 

he needs to go back to demonstrating his defense is among the best in the league if he's going to earn a decent payday because his shooting won't do it for him

[BballTim]

Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score..

No, he isn't. Particularly where the second part of this statement is concerned. He can chuck a lot of long jumpers, and may have big scoring nights when those go down. Ultimately, however, they're still long jumpers -- that is, one of the less efficient shots in the game.

actually the first part is false also.  can't really claim he's a lockdown defender after the way Felton, a middle-of-the-road PG, repeatedly torched him in the playoffs last year.  There weren't any injury excuses for him last year in the playoffs either. 

  First of all, you're talking about a few games compared to the rest of his career. Secondly, if he was hampered by an injury in the playoffs the odds of your hearing about it were fairly slim. The Celts don't tend to advertise those things.

[Celtics4ever]

This whole thread is not proof but rather a hopeful, opinion.

[D.o.s.]

Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score..

No, he isn't. Particularly where the second part of this statement is concerned. He can chuck a lot of long jumpers, and may have big scoring nights when those go down. Ultimately, however, they're still long jumpers -- that is, one of the less efficient shots in the game.

actually the first part is false also.  can't really claim he's a lockdown defender after the way Felton, a middle-of-the-road PG, repeatedly torched him in the playoffs last year.  There weren't any injury excuses for him last year in the playoffs either. 

  First of all, you're talking about a few games compared to the rest of his career. Secondly, if he was hampered by an injury in the playoffs the odds of your hearing about it were fairly slim. The Celts don't tend to advertise those things.

Which is why we had no idea Ray Allen and KG were playing through bone spurs, or that Pierce was playing through a sprained MCL, right? Because the Celtics don't talk about it?

[Sizzlack]

Second, $6-7m per for a role player isn't a value in this new CBA - look at the Heat with guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen making about $3m per each. Jamal Crawford makes just above $5m. Wes Matthews - right around $5.5m. Those are all perimeter role players that are better than Avery.

Not a chance are those guys better than Avery. Unless you're looking at just the one-dimensional value of them. Jamal Crawford can score, that's about it. He's not very good as a PG, and he doesn't play much defense at all. Matthews? Not a bad comparison I guess, they have comparable scoring numbers (Bradley actually has better shooting efficiency #s, but their close) but I think Bradley is a much better defender.

And if you honestly think that at this point in their careers, Battier, who's shooting about 28% this year from 3, or Allen who stopped being able to defend pretty much anyone about 3 years ago are better than Bradley...(edit)

No personal attacks - wdleehi

[BballTim]

Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score..

No, he isn't. Particularly where the second part of this statement is concerned. He can chuck a lot of long jumpers, and may have big scoring nights when those go down. Ultimately, however, they're still long jumpers -- that is, one of the less efficient shots in the game.

actually the first part is false also.  can't really claim he's a lockdown defender after the way Felton, a middle-of-the-road PG, repeatedly torched him in the playoffs last year.  There weren't any injury excuses for him last year in the playoffs either. 

  First of all, you're talking about a few games compared to the rest of his career. Secondly, if he was hampered by an injury in the playoffs the odds of your hearing about it were fairly slim. The Celts don't tend to advertise those things.

Which is why we had no idea Ray Allen and KG were playing through bone spurs, or that Pierce was playing through a sprained MCL, right? Because the Celtics don't talk about it?

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

[BballTim]

I still don't believe Ainge offered that much to him.  I still think that is a number leaked by the agent.



No way teams are going to bid that much with the new tax situations.  Most teams spent the trade deadlines trying to move deals to stay well under that number.

  It doesn't hurt Danny to have something like that leaked, it would make it seem more likely to other teams that he'd match any offer they'd make.

[D.o.s.]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

Second, $6-7m per for a role player isn't a value in this new CBA - look at the Heat with guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen making about $3m per each. Jamal Crawford makes just above $5m. Wes Matthews - right around $5.5m. Those are all perimeter role players that are better than Avery.

Not a chance are those guys better than Avery. Unless you're looking at just the one-dimensional value of them. Jamal Crawford can score, that's about it. He's not very good as a PG, and he doesn't play much defense at all. Matthews? Not a bad comparison I guess, they have comparable scoring numbers (Bradley actually has better shooting efficiency #s, but their close) but I think Bradley is a much better defender.

And if you honestly think that at this point in their careers, Battier, who's shooting about 28% this year from 3, or Allen who stopped being able to defend pretty much anyone about 3 years ago are better than Bradley...(edit)

No personal attacks - wdleehi

I'll go out on a limb and say that Crawford's a much better point guard than Avery Bradley.

[BballTim]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

  I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

[pearljammer10]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

Second, $6-7m per for a role player isn't a value in this new CBA - look at the Heat with guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen making about $3m per each. Jamal Crawford makes just above $5m. Wes Matthews - right around $5.5m. Those are all perimeter role players that are better than Avery.

Not a chance are those guys better than Avery. Unless you're looking at just the one-dimensional value of them. Jamal Crawford can score, that's about it. He's not very good as a PG, and he doesn't play much defense at all. Matthews? Not a bad comparison I guess, they have comparable scoring numbers (Bradley actually has better shooting efficiency #s, but their close) but I think Bradley is a much better defender.

And if you honestly think that at this point in their careers, Battier, who's shooting about 28% this year from 3, or Allen who stopped being able to defend pretty much anyone about 3 years ago are better than Bradley...(edit)

No personal attacks - wdleehi

I'll go out on a limb and say that Crawford's a much better point guard than Avery Bradley.

I'll go out on a limb and back you up in saying Crawford is a much better point guard than Bradely.

He is also a much better player than Bradley.

And Allen and Battier are much better as well.

And my limb is not even close to breaking.

[D.o.s.]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

  I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

You getting that from multiple sources?

[Sketch5]

8 mill for an undersize SG who has never played a full season? NOPE.

Now for the MLE, I could get behind. 

[manl_lui]

I say this is a mixture of smokescreens by Bradley's camp and Ainge. Ainge probably did not offer him 7 mil per and that is what Bradley's agent is asking for.

It may sound stupid but in no way is Bradley worth 7/8 mil per season. I think at best he is 5-6 mil per season, and probably no team will offer him that much. I think saying "We offered him 7 mil" is saying "that's the most we will give him, anything equal or less than that, we will match, more than that, you can take him"

[BballTim]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

  I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

You getting that from multiple sources?

   Yes.

[RJ87]

  If they don't miss time then they generally didn't discuss it. Everyone talked about how bad Ray looked against Reddick in 2009, but someone mentioned months later that he had been having hamstring issues. Danny mentioned during a Celts game last year that PP and Jet were starting to play better because they'd been playing through (undisclosed) leg injuries. Same with Rondo's hand injury in 2011. Doc's oft-stated philosophy was "if you're playing, you aren't injured". I thought that was fairly well known.

Right. It usually comes out in the wash after the fact, though.

Second, $6-7m per for a role player isn't a value in this new CBA - look at the Heat with guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen making about $3m per each. Jamal Crawford makes just above $5m. Wes Matthews - right around $5.5m. Those are all perimeter role players that are better than Avery.

Not a chance are those guys better than Avery. Unless you're looking at just the one-dimensional value of them. Jamal Crawford can score, that's about it. He's not very good as a PG, and he doesn't play much defense at all. Matthews? Not a bad comparison I guess, they have comparable scoring numbers (Bradley actually has better shooting efficiency #s, but their close) but I think Bradley is a much better defender.

And if you honestly think that at this point in their careers, Battier, who's shooting about 28% this year from 3, or Allen who stopped being able to defend pretty much anyone about 3 years ago are better than Bradley...(edit)

No personal attacks - wdleehi

I'll go out on a limb and say that Crawford's a much better point guard than Avery Bradley.

I'll go out on a limb and back you up in saying Crawford is a much better point guard than Bradely.

He is also a much better player than Bradley.

And Allen and Battier are much better as well.

And my limb is not even close to breaking.

Good to see all limbs are intact.

And Sizzlack, PER tells a different story (League average is 15)
Crawford - 17.68
Wes - 16.12
Ray - 12.86
Bradley - 12.39
Battier - 8.86 (but if you're the Heat, you can live with this. He's 35, in the last year of his deal, and has been a key contributor to 2 championships).