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More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« on: March 21, 2014, 09:17:52 AM »

Offline PaulAllen

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DA just stated he had every intention on keeping him and the "market will set his value".. He offered him 7mil  year and AB declined which could ideally hurt him in the end... I dont see another team giving him 8 plus per year so anyone who offers him the same or less will be matched by Ainge..

Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score.. his shooting in somewhat inconsistent but a 6/7 million dollar role player is a true value for a team that will be a future contender.
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Re: More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2014, 09:21:27 AM »

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I still don't believe Ainge offered that much to him.  I still think that is a number leaked by the agent.



No way teams are going to bid that much with the new tax situations.  Most teams spent the trade deadlines trying to move deals to stay well under that number.
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Re: More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2014, 09:47:50 AM »

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I'm with wdleehi.

We'd be bidding against ourselves if we signed Bradley to 7 million a year
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2014, 09:53:29 AM »

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Quote from: PaulAllen on March 21, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
Again to the people who are agianst his signing hes a 23 year old lockdown guard who can score..
No, he isn't. Particularly where the second part of this statement is concerned. He can chuck a lot of long jumpers, and may have big scoring nights when those go down. Ultimately, however, they're still long jumpers -- that is, one of the less efficient shots in the game.

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Re: More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2014, 09:54:38 AM »

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I really think DA is going to end up keeping AB for around 6-6.5 mill per. I also wouldn't be shocked if he implemented a rebuild thru depth plan that I have previously mentioned. Where instead of looking for a max contract guy to pair with Rondo he builds the best 8 man rotation possible with out sacrificing long term cap space and sees how fare Stevens and Rondo can take it next season. Then re-access the team after 2015 when rondo is a FA.

This is actually similar to what Utah is doing. Post Deron Williams they remained decent with players like Mo Williams, Big AL, and Milsap. Now that they are gone the young guys are left to their own merits and the team has a solid young foundation
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Re: More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2014, 09:59:31 AM »

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I am torn on this.  On the one hand, he is a 23 year old who is scoring 14+ points a game, showing steady improvement offensively and flashes of brilliance, and has proven to be an All-Defensive team player.  On the other side, he is a tweener who is at his best when he can cross-match, and he has a pretty long injury history. 

I actually think his market value could be close to 7-8 million per year, based on the fact that he could very well take another leap next year if he continues to improve his shooting and offensive feel, and if he does that it would make him a bargain.  The problem is he is a restricted free agent, which will probably really limit the market for him.  Teams are going to shy away from him, because they know the C's will match anything reasonable.  They might have to pay him $10 million a year to be sure the C's wouldn't match, and at that point it would be too much.

My guess is that Danny will try to offer him 6 or 7 million a year again, and Avery will want a shorter term contract, so if he does continue to improve, he can get really paid sooner.  I also wouldn't be shocked if he signs the qualifying offer.  He is kind of in that weird no-mans land, where he still hasn't proven enough both on the floor and healthwise to show he can be counted on as the consistent impact player he has shown flashes of, but he has enough potential that another year might be what it takes to put him over the top, and get him from that "just above MLE" pay range into the secondary star pay range.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2014, 10:13:26 AM »

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Quote from: Chris on March 21, 2014, 09:59:31 AM
I am torn on this.  On the one hand, he is a 23 year old who is scoring 14+ points a game, showing steady improvement offensively and flashes of brilliance, and has proven to be an All-Defensive team player.  On the other side, he is a tweener who is at his best when he can cross-match, and he has a pretty long injury history. 

I actually think his market value could be close to 7-8 million per year, based on the fact that he could very well take another leap next year if he continues to improve his shooting and offensive feel, and if he does that it would make him a bargain.  The problem is he is a restricted free agent, which will probably really limit the market for him.  Teams are going to shy away from him, because they know the C's will match anything reasonable.  They might have to pay him $10 million a year to be sure the C's wouldn't match, and at that point it would be too much.

My guess is that Danny will try to offer him 6 or 7 million a year again, and Avery will want a shorter term contract, so if he does continue to improve, he can get really paid sooner.  I also wouldn't be shocked if he signs the qualifying offer.  He is kind of in that weird no-mans land, where he still hasn't proven enough both on the floor and healthwise to show he can be counted on as the consistent impact player he has shown flashes of, but he has enough potential that another year might be what it takes to put him over the top, and get him from that "just above MLE" pay range into the secondary star pay range.

You are right that he should take a 1-2 year deal to "take the next step in his game"... however if DA decides to to make a big trade or 2 then Bradley will slide farther down the role player type.. Like Jeff Green hes a shooter on a bad team and not a superstar so they both are having hot and cold nights... Fans are expecting too much from them.. If you put them in a role behind 2 or 3 more effiecent scorers they make great complementary pieces especially with Bradleys on ball defense..
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2014, 10:15:37 AM »

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Quote from: wdleehi on March 21, 2014, 09:21:27 AM
I still don't believe Ainge offered that much to him.  I still think that is a number leaked by the agent.



No way teams are going to bid that much with the new tax situations.  Most teams spent the trade deadlines trying to move deals to stay well under that number.

I've seen links where DA confirms it.. even on the Globe
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2014, 10:20:45 AM »

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Quote from: PaulAllen on March 21, 2014, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: wdleehi on March 21, 2014, 09:21:27 AM
I still don't believe Ainge offered that much to him.  I still think that is a number leaked by the agent.



No way teams are going to bid that much with the new tax situations.  Most teams spent the trade deadlines trying to move deals to stay well under that number.

I've seen links where DA confirms it.. even on the Globe

Then you should have no problem sharing them?


I think the single biggest factor affecting Avery's next contract is going to be his health.
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Re: More proof Bradley will stay a Celtic
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2014, 10:34:09 AM »

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It is in ainge's best interest in declaring his intention to match, in order to scare of potential suitors. Generally it is hard to pry a restricted role player from another team unless you over pay - like Toronto with Landry fields.

This also reinforces confidence in Bradley. Players want to feel wanted and appreciated. Any employee does really.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2014, 10:45:33 AM »

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Quote from: PaulAllen on March 21, 2014, 09:17:52 AM
a 6/7 million dollar role player is a true value for a team that will be a future contender.

No, it's not.

To start with - you need your principal pieces in place before you can commit money to role players. The idea of a role player is to complement your stars, we're still in the process of getting stars in place so it seems unintelligent to invest money and time into a piece you don't consider to be a key cog.

Second, $6-7m per for a role player isn't a value in this new CBA - look at the Heat with guys like Shane Battier and Ray Allen making about $3m per each. Jamal Crawford makes just above $5m. Wes Matthews - right around $5.5m. Those are all perimeter role players that are better than Avery.

As it stands right now, anything more than the MLE for Avery is an overpay IMO. And overpaying role players is exactly how a team gets itself into cap purgatory.
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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2014, 11:02:13 AM »

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He's a great fit with Rondo. I'd be fine with 7M a year or even 8M a year, considering Jeff Green makes 9M.
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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2014, 11:05:35 AM »

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Quote from: chenaren on March 21, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
He's a great fit with Rondo. I'd be fine with 7M a year or even 8M a year, considering Jeff Green makes 9M.

Can you explain why the bolded is a good justification for such a high salary for Avery?
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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2014, 11:10:08 AM »

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Quote from: chenaren on March 21, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
He's a great fit with Rondo. I'd be fine with 7M a year or even 8M a year, considering Jeff Green makes 9M.


That makes it worse.


It is not the big money paid to stars that will cause teams issues, it is the mid range salaries given to the role players.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2014, 11:32:55 AM »

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Quote from: chenaren on March 21, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
He's a great fit with Rondo. I'd be fine with 7M a year or even 8M a year, considering Jeff Green makes 9M.
No he is not a knock down shooter and he can't even guard Felton..
AND he is injury prone..
i will say MLE at best, 4M sounds reasonable
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