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offseason situations , what would you do?
« on: March 20, 2014, 09:57:09 AM »

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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?

Number 3 iam guessing most will say no.  However can you get a better return in the 2015 trade deadline?  Rondo has not given indication of 100 percent he is going to resign long term with the team. He has actually stated that he is looking fwd to the FA process.

Also it doesnt help that we will still be in rebuild mode next season. It's a risky situation and I dont think Danny takes a chance of letting Rondo walk for free like the lakers did with DHoward.

So you rather get a sure top 10 pick in a strong draft  or 2 late 1sts and a wallace and another humphries?

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2014, 10:23:32 AM »

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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

A.Wiggins = no, I don't trade Jeff Green because I think Wiggins has the quickness, overall athleticism, defensive range, jump-shooting and ball-handling ability required to be successful at the SG position. So I would keep Jeff Green and try them both together (on the wings) before deciding whether or not to move J.Green. A wing duo of J.Green and A.Wiggins with R.Rondo at PG would have an incredible amount of athleticism and physical size. Imposing. Trying to make them work together would be my first option.

J.Parker = I'm not sure whether he is a 3 or 4 in the NBA, so again, I keep J.Green (and Sully) for the time being. With J.Green's (or maybe even Sully's) future dependent on which position Jabari Parker is more comfortable at.

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2014, 10:26:47 AM »

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2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?
(2) I let Avery Bradley walk. Too much money. Hasn't proven enough for that money and I think that cap flexibility is vital to Boston getting back into title contention over the next few years. So I gamble on cap flexibility over Bradley.

(3) Not enough value for Rondo. I think Boston has enough trade assets and flexibility for a quick turnaround. Trading Rondo for such a package would lead to a long term rebuilding process and I am not convinced that is necessary at this point in time.

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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2014, 10:31:34 AM »

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1) If we draft Wiggins I keep Jeff Green next to him. That is a great athletic duo on the wings.

2) No way. Too much for Bradley.

3) No way. Rondo is more valuable than that.

I still think unless we miraculously get the number one pick and draft Embiid we will be trading both our picks this year for something bigger. I don't see Danny waiting to rebuild with youngsters. He knows you need legit, proven talent to be able to compete in the league today.

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2014, 10:35:38 AM »

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Offer AB to Detriot for a sign and trade for Monroe.  We may have to throw in some other parts.   Assuming we get Wiggins, you would start him next to Rondo.   If we keep Green that is a fast and athletic wings as mentioned above.   I would have crash mentor Wiggins on effort and defense.    Play Monroe at C.   

I would want the top ten instead of two late firsts and Humph and Wallace.   And I love Humph on the court.

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2014, 10:37:33 AM »

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Rondo has not given indication of 100 percent he is going to resign long term with the team. He has actually stated that he is looking fwd to the FA process.

Also it doesnt help that we will still be in rebuild mode next season. It's a risky situation and I dont think Danny takes a chance of letting Rondo walk for free like the lakers did with DHoward.
I don't think Ainge needs to make a big move before Rondo enters free agency. I think Ainge can do it then. During free agency. I mean, it would be nice if Ainge was able to do it before-hand but I don't think it is absolutely necessary. I think Ainge can make that big push during that FA and convince Rondo to stay there and then.

Similar to how Pat Riley went into 2010 with D-Wade expiring but knew Miami had lots of cap space to convince a second star to come play with Wade, and, that if he got that 2nd star, then Wade would stay.

I wouldn't be afraid of that type of scenario. It doesn't always play out in the team's favour but Ainge has loads of assets in terms of picks, prospects and cap flexibility so I really like his chances of being able to make a big deal and convince Rondo to stay.

Unlike say Toronto and Chris Bosh, who in 2010 had no cap flexibility, few prospects on their books (Bargnani?), hardly any trade assets (Calderon?) and no extra draft picks. Meaning Toronto had no hope in hell of getting a 2nd star to come to Toronto to play with Bosh ... meaning they had no hope in hell of convincing Bosh they could be anything better than the 40-45 win team they had been in recent years. Making it pretty much a certainty that Bosh would leave.

If Boston was in a situation like that, like Toronto and Bosh, I would say trade Rondo ... but they're not. They have terrific trade + free agency options. So I am confident enough in Boston's flexibility to be able to pull off a scenario like that.

And even if worst case scenario comes about and Rondo leaves, well then that just ushers in a full rebuilding process. Same destination as originally wanted in trade above. And Ainge can build the new title contender that way. I really do not believe that Rondo leaving and Boston getting nothing in return is that bad a scenario. Boston would still in a very good long term position due to their cap flexibility, prospects, trade assets, future picks and increased likelihood of getting high draft picks in immediate/future seasons.

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2014, 10:48:20 AM »

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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

If we get good value, yes.  If we need to move Green's salary to make a larger deal that improves us, yes.  Otherwise, no.

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2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

Nope.  The best you hope for under that scenario is that he hasn't signed his offer sheet, so you can sign-and-trade him.

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3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?

No.  Thompson is useless, and he's got two more years on his contract (plus a partial guarantee in a third year).  You don't rebuild with mediocre players.


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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?

Number 3 iam guessing most will say no.  However can you get a better return in the 2015 trade deadline?  Rondo has not given indication of 100 percent he is going to resign long term with the team. He has actually stated that he is looking fwd to the FA process.

Also it doesnt help that we will still be in rebuild mode next season. It's a risky situation and I dont think Danny takes a chance of letting Rondo walk for free like the lakers did with DHoward.

So you rather get a sure top 10 pick in a strong draft  or 2 late 1sts and a wallace and another humphries?

1.)Yes. Doubt we'll get Parker but if we do get Wiggins, absolutely deal Green for whatever you can get just to get rid that contract (and his complaining about how he doesn't care what people say about him.)

I would also do so to throw Wiggins right in the fire and see if he'll sink or swim

2.) God No!

3.) No. Though I am not Rondo's biggest fan, that seems like a pretty weak return for him and we should be able to get a more decent return.

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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?

Number 3 iam guessing most will say no.  However can you get a better return in the 2015 trade deadline?  Rondo has not given indication of 100 percent he is going to resign long term with the team. He has actually stated that he is looking fwd to the FA process.

Also it doesnt help that we will still be in rebuild mode next season. It's a risky situation and I dont think Danny takes a chance of letting Rondo walk for free like the lakers did with DHoward.

So you rather get a sure top 10 pick in a strong draft  or 2 late 1sts and a wallace and another humphries?

1) Absolutely. It's pointless to keep Jeff Green around for 9 mill a year if most of the playing time at the 3 is going to go towards developing Parker or Wiggins.

2) Absolutely not. Don't get me wrong, AB has blossomed into one of my favorite Celtics but in 4 years he has yet to show that he can stay healthy. AB can be replaced in the draft. If so, hopefully with a bigger 2 guard with a more consistent jumper.

3) No way. Jason Thompson is sub par and Sacramento will probably end up with the 7-8th pick, where the draft talent drastically drops off. But if by some stroke of luck they get a top 4 pick then I'd have to strongly consider it. All depends where they end up.

As for trading Rondo, the Celtics front office will definitely explore that option more in the off season. He's given no strong indication that he wants to resign here and he's going to have a lot more trade value now that he's playing at a high level. I could see Houston going strong after Rondo this summer.

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I could see Houston going strong after Rondo this summer.
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Maybe. Houston and Melo have apparently been linked in the rumor mill quite a bit the last few days so maybe he becomes their top target this summer.

If not, then I could see Rondo being Houston's back-up plan.

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1. maybe, depends on the return.
2. no.  try to do a S&T if at all possible to get something in return.
3. no, heeeelllll no.  Rondo's worth far more than a mid-lotto pick and a non-performer on a cruddy deal

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a. i don't see a real reason to move Jeff Green, other than of course, if the deal makes sense for us. What i mean by that is if we either get a nice young prospect, or we get a valuable pick. I doubt any team gives us that though. Either way, i'm fine with keeping Green, even if we do draft Wiggins/Parker. It's looking less and less likely it'll happen, but i do hope we get to draft Wiggins.

b. let him walk. too much money for an injured, undersized guard. would be sad to see him go though, as i love hyper-defensive guards

c. It's a weak offer. I like the pick but it's going to take more than a pick and a role player to land Rondo. I'd revisit the 7-9pick+Isiah Thomas+Mclemore trade idea, or 7-9pick+Isiah+future 1st rd pick (top5 protected or something).

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1)if we draft either wiggins or parker , do you trade Jeff Green?

I am not sure what the return is there. Although Olynyk and Sullinger, as a duo, seem to play well together, I don't think Rondo Wiggins Olynyk Sullinger Green is a contender, or even gets past the second round.

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2) another team offer AB 5 years at 7 million a year. Do you match it?

pfft - no.

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3) sac offers their 2014 7-9 1st pick and Jason Thompson for Rondo. Do you make the trade?

Agree with your prediction - though I think it would be tough to get a better PG than RR.

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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2014, 12:37:37 PM »

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By the way, other teams aren't allowed to sign Bradley to a five year deal.


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