idea to get rid of tanking

[Tr1boy]

Idea

9th and 10th placed teams from both conferences get  the highest chances to win the 1st pick. The worse teams from both conferences get the lowest chance to win the lotto.

The order of picks will be from 9th place(best record) getting the highest to the worse team in the league getting the lowest (14th) after the lotto (1-5).

Which team is going to want to tank on purpose then?

[Fafnir]

This idea has been proposed many times, it doesn't work out at all if you think it through.

Which team is going to want to tank on purpose then?

Teams fighting for playoff position now would instead tank right at the end of the season.

So instead of the exciting Rockets/Lakers/Warriors playoff race last year, all three teams would have tanked their last few games. Because a high lottery pick is a big deal while an 8th seed isn't.

So it would be even worse than it is now, because legitimate teams with playoff aspirations would be induced to try and drop out to get the next Anthony Davis.

[Tr1boy]

This idea has been proposed many times, it doesn't work out at all if you think it through.

Which team is going to want to tank on purpose then?

Teams fighting for playoff position now would instead tank right at the end of the season.

So instead of the exciting Rockets/Lakers/Warriors playoff race last year, all three teams would have tanked their last few games. Because a high lottery pick is a big deal while an 8th seed isn't.

So it would be even worse than it is now, because legitimate teams with playoff aspirations would be induced to try and drop out to get the next Anthony Davis.

I disagree. When you are pressing on the gas all year long and suddenly you will lose to secure the 9th place?  What if you let go of the gas too much and suddenly you end up 11th?

Also being 9th place doesnt secure the number 1 pick.

[gpap]

Here's another one.

For every loss throughout the season, a front-office executive of each team gets a finger broken.

Watch then how many teams are competing for the 1 seed in the East and West (lol)

[D.o.s.]

This idea has been proposed many times, it doesn't work out at all if you think it through.

[apc]

Idea

9th and 10th placed teams from both conferences get  the highest chances to win the 1st pick. The worse teams from both conferences get the lowest chance to win the lotto.

The order of picks will be from 9th place(best record) getting the highest to the worse team in the league getting the lowest (14th) after the lotto (1-5).

Which team is going to want to tank on purpose then?

You got my vote!

[Tr1boy]

You can rig the system either way. But its harder and less chance with this idea. Everyone will try harder to make the playoffs and if you dont , the side prize is a chance at a high pick.

Bottom line is, nobody will want to be the worse team

[jambr380]

Not to mention the fact that the teams who really do need help will never really get better while those who are doing okay will get all of the big stars.

They could always do something like scramble the bottom 8 teams for the top 8 picks and then scramble teams 9-16 (including the 8th seeds in both conferences) for the next 8 picks, but simply giving the highest picks to the best of the non-playoff teams doesn't seem right.

[Fafnir]

Also being 9th place doesnt secure the number 1 pick.

Neither does being in last place, yet you still see plenty of teams tearing it down or at least not making much effort to get better once it became clear they weren't going to be good.

Teams have tanked games deliberately to setup playoff matches in the case of falling to the 6th seed and drawing a favorable match up to a weak Nuggets team. (Memphis also tried to lose to avoid the Mavericks who were the second best team in the west to SA)

Teams absolutely would deliberately tank to go from being an 8th seed to getting a premium lottery pick.

[D.o.s.]

You can rig the system either way. But its harder and less chance with this idea. Everyone will try harder to make the playoffs and if you dont , the side prize is a chance at a high pick.

Bottom line is, nobody will want to be the worse team

This makes no sense. If you're neck and neck for the 8th spot in your conference, why wouldn't you have more incentive to lose some games and get in the mix for a #1 draft pick than stay in the playoffs to be beaten by a much better team?

[apc]

Not to mention the fact that the teams who really do need help will never really get better while those who are doing okay will get all of the big stars.

All they got to do(the bad teams) is gets themselves to the 9th place.

[Tr1boy]

Also being 9th place doesnt secure the number 1 pick.

Neither does being in last place, yet you still see plenty of teams tearing it down or at least not making much effort to get better once it became clear they weren't going to be good.

Teams have tanked games deliberately to setup playoff matches in the case of falling to the 6th seed and drawing a favorable match up to a weak Nuggets team. (Memphis also tried to lose to avoid the Mavericks who were the second best team in the west to SA)

Teams absolutely would deliberately tank to go from being an 8th seed to getting a premium lottery pick.

Your going off course. Im talking a about idea to avoid teams tanking to the bottom and increasing competition

[wdleehi]

The only way to "fix" tanking is to shift the game away from star driven to team driven. 




And of all the teams that are at the bottom, which ones actually had the talent on the court to compete or contend? 

[D.o.s.]

Also being 9th place doesnt secure the number 1 pick.

Neither does being in last place, yet you still see plenty of teams tearing it down or at least not making much effort to get better once it became clear they weren't going to be good.

Teams have tanked games deliberately to setup playoff matches in the case of falling to the 6th seed and drawing a favorable match up to a weak Nuggets team. (Memphis also tried to lose to avoid the Mavericks who were the second best team in the west to SA)

Teams absolutely would deliberately tank to go from being an 8th seed to getting a premium lottery pick.

Your going off course. Im talking a about idea to avoid teams tanking to the bottom and increasing competition

Your idea would actively promote as many, if not more, teams trying to lose games in order to miss the playoffs. That's what Faf's saying.

[Fafnir]

Also being 9th place doesnt secure the number 1 pick.

Neither does being in last place, yet you still see plenty of teams tearing it down or at least not making much effort to get better once it became clear they weren't going to be good.

Teams have tanked games deliberately to setup playoff matches in the case of falling to the 6th seed and drawing a favorable match up to a weak Nuggets team. (Memphis also tried to lose to avoid the Mavericks who were the second best team in the west to SA)

Teams absolutely would deliberately tank to go from being an 8th seed to getting a premium lottery pick.

Your going off course. Im talking a about idea to avoid teams tanking to the bottom and increasing competition

I'm using a real life example to show that for the proper incentive event a winning playoff team will deliberately try and lose games.

The prospect of facing a relatively mediocre Nuggets squad compared to an elite Mavericks squad induced playoff teams tanking to try and dodge the Mavs.

I think a premium lottery pick is even more valuable than a favorable first round match up and would induce similar tanking. What's worse, cellar dwellers tanking in the last 20 games of the NBA season? Or legitimate playoff contenders all desperately trying to finish just a few games out of the eighth seed, meaning the "race for the playoffs" would be a boobie prize?

Sure the 76ers would be playing harder, but the Hawks, Grizzlies, Suns, and Timberwolves wouldn't be.