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Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2014, 12:58:44 PM »

Offline JSD

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Doesn't any know:

If Bradley does stay for 1 year at the qualifying offer, do we retain his Bird Rights?

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2014, 12:59:04 PM »

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Why gum up the cap with role players?

This would be just another contract similar to Bass, Green, CLee, and all the other role players above the MLE that we would need to dump to make room for a star.

He's not the starting SG we're looking for, so let's not pay him starter money.

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2014, 01:01:32 PM »

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Doesn't any know:

If Bradley does stay for 1 year at the qualifying offer, do we retain his Bird Rights?

Yes.  You also would not be able to trade him without his consent.
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Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2014, 01:07:18 PM »

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Why gum up the cap with role players?

This would be just another contract similar to Bass, Green, CLee, and all the other role players above the MLE that we would need to dump to make room for a star.

He's not the starting SG we're looking for, so let's not pay him starter money.

He's a young player with upside who could be the starting SG we're looking for.  Or at least what I am looking for.  I don't feel the need for an alpha male scorer at SG.  I'm more interested in a good defender who can hit catch-and-shoot threes.  I'd really like a guy who you can trust enough to like him shooting transition threes.

Bradley isn't quite what I would like him to be, but he has the potential to be.
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Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2014, 01:15:52 PM »

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Why gum up the cap with role players?

This would be just another contract similar to Bass, Green, CLee, and all the other role players above the MLE that we would need to dump to make room for a star.

He's not the starting SG we're looking for, so let's not pay him starter money.

He's a young player with upside who could be the starting SG we're looking for.  Or at least what I am looking for.  I don't feel the need for an alpha male scorer at SG.  I'm more interested in a good defender who can hit catch-and-shoot threes.  I'd really like a guy who you can trust enough to like him shooting transition threes.

Bradley isn't quite what I would like him to be, but he has the potential to be.

Even though he has shown signs

I'm uncomfortable dishing out 7-8M on a player who has shown that he cannot make it through the whole season and is consistently injured

If he can't stay healthy at this age and play through pain what makes us think he can play consistently in the future?

I personally would give him 4M with incentives for staying healthy to make up to 6M...but again, I'd prefer the cap space to it even more

I'd rather lose the players earning 5-12 M altogether unless they are star players on their rookie or second contract.

It just takes up too much of the cap

We are better off with all-star caliber players surrounded by players on their rookie scale or veteran minimum guys.

Rookie scaled players are cheap talent, more bang for your buck

And the star players because of the caps on salaries on the NBA are also rather underpaid as well

But again, that's just me...it's what we did when we won it all in 2008, but then we started adding all of these MLE players who underachieved

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2014, 01:28:26 PM »

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Obv, all you need is one team to be stupid, but given his injury history, I seriously doubt anyone is giving Bradley a big deal. MLE tops, I'd say. For that reason, I think he stays here.

I tend to agree. Bradley @ MLE $ is a steal. Gotta do it if he comes that cheap
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2014, 01:31:39 PM »

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Why gum up the cap with role players?

This would be just another contract similar to Bass, Green, CLee, and all the other role players above the MLE that we would need to dump to make room for a star.

He's not the starting SG we're looking for, so let's not pay him starter money.

At the MLE, he'd be a good deal, though (IMHO).

Plus, even though we want it to be otherwise, this rebuilding process is going to be years in the making.

MLE-type contracts will be useful down the road when and if Danny makes a trade for a truly impact type player (no, that's likely not going to happen on draft night or this offseason).
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Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2014, 02:08:52 PM »

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I personally would give him 4M with incentives for staying healthy to make up to 6M...but again, I'd prefer the cap space to it even more

Cap space is overrated.  And it's not because the Celtics can't sign big free agents.  (They can.)

The goal is to have financial flexibility while avoiding the luxury tax unnecessarily.  You want to avoid signing players to contracts that will be untradeable in a couple of seasons.

A four-year MLE contract will average about $5.66m/year and start at $5.15m.  If Bradley is likely to get offers for that and is worth that sort of contract, I would offer him more money per year with the final year mostly unguaranteed or even more money per year if he would agree to sign for only three instead of four years. 

If the Celtics are unlikely to clear cap space in the next few years, I would prefer to have Bradley occupy a salary slot and overpay him a bit to have his contract expire in 2016-2017.   The principle would be the same as the Nets overpaying Kris Humphries to preserve a salary slot which allowed them to trade for Pierce and Garnett.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2014, 02:22:47 PM »

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I really wish we had packaged Bradley + Bass + The Philly Pick for Asik or something

I wish. BB and AB were/are our most moveable assets based on value. AB's expiring could've got us something packaged with Bass for a playoff team. Ughh
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Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2014, 02:23:01 PM »

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I'd suspect that AB's value around the league has fallen quite a bit since earlier this year.

This could be good or bad. If we can retain him cheaply, good. If he's a less useful trade asset, bad.

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2014, 03:28:38 PM »

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I wasn't a fan of his, but his shot improved a bunch this year and he has surprised me. I agree he is injury prone, and his lack of ball handling hurts him a ton. IMO he should be the first guard off the bench on a playoff team but he can't be because of his lack of PG skills.

I know I don't want him back this year, he could help us win a couple more games that we should lose, and that is a bad thing.

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2014, 05:31:12 PM »

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Bradley was only good when Pierce, KG, and Allen were still here.

Trade him me thinks.


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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2014, 05:40:27 PM »

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He's improved his shooting a bit, but I think he's a long-term role player.  We should be able to replace him.

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2014, 05:46:53 PM »

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In terms of SG's int he league, where do you rank Avery?

I say Top 40.  That's as far as I'm willing to go.  Weak stats (like 46th) and overrated defender.

Re: Why Didn't we Trade Bradley/Do you actually want him back?
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2014, 06:21:30 PM »

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In terms of SG's int he league, where do you rank Avery?

I can say I rank him ahead of Iman Shumpert, Gerald Henderson, OJ Mayo and Dion Waiters.

I'm not convinced that young guys like Tony Wroten and Ben McLemore will ever be better than Bradley.
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