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Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2014, 09:19:31 AM »

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well, here are our next 14 opponents

Brooklyn
Detroit
Indiana
Knicks
Phoenix
NOL
Dallas
Miami
Brooklyn
toronto
toronto
chicago
chicago
washington

I see ALOT of losses in there. after that we get philly twice though, detroit, atlanta, charlotte, cleveland. which is scary because they could go on a small win streak to end the season

March will be ugly for the Celtics.. however it never is a lock that the worst teams will lock those top 3 spots.. I like where they are right now and maybe it is their time to actually win the lottery ( only 2 of the worst seeds in 20 years have locked the number one pick)..

As for Wiggins I think he will be a star BUT He is not a Lebron or Durant or even a guy like LIllard who come right out and light up the stat sheet... Defensive he is ready but I think it will take 3 years to really polish his game.. However he can put a a reasonable 10ppg, 4 rpg, 2 spg as a rook
That is not reasonable for Wiggins at all.  I fully expect him to be at least 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, and a steal or two.  Anything less is a vast disappointment for him.  Same thing with Parker.  Now Embiid will probably come along slower, but you still have to expect 10/7 with a couple of blocks from him.
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Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2014, 09:41:51 AM »

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well, here are our next 14 opponents

Brooklyn
Detroit
Indiana
Knicks
Phoenix
NOL
Dallas
Miami
Brooklyn
toronto
toronto
chicago
chicago
washington

I see ALOT of losses in there. after that we get philly twice though, detroit, atlanta, charlotte, cleveland. which is scary because they could go on a small win streak to end the season

March will be ugly for the Celtics.. however it never is a lock that the worst teams will lock those top 3 spots.. I like where they are right now and maybe it is their time to actually win the lottery ( only 2 of the worst seeds in 20 years have locked the number one pick)..

As for Wiggins I think he will be a star BUT He is not a Lebron or Durant or even a guy like LIllard who come right out and light up the stat sheet... Defensive he is ready but I think it will take 3 years to really polish his game.. However he can put a a reasonable 10ppg, 4 rpg, 2 spg as a rook
That is not reasonable for Wiggins at all.  I fully expect him to be at least 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, and a steal or two.  Anything less is a vast disappointment for him.  Same thing with Parker.  Now Embiid will probably come along slower, but you still have to expect 10/7 with a couple of blocks from him.

Prker IMO is the most ready for the NBA but unless the team is gutted and builds completely around Wiggins he will be brought in slowly.. His NBA game is just not ready.. He is not great off the dribble, handle needs work, and has trouble with mid range shots.. Defensively he is a stud.. all NBA team in first year even.. offensively he needs 2 years min to be a legit scorer..

Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2014, 10:25:24 AM »

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well, here are our next 14 opponents

Brooklyn
Detroit
Indiana
Knicks
Phoenix
NOL
Dallas
Miami
Brooklyn
toronto
toronto
chicago
chicago
washington

I see ALOT of losses in there. after that we get philly twice though, detroit, atlanta, charlotte, cleveland. which is scary because they could go on a small win streak to end the season

March will be ugly for the Celtics.. however it never is a lock that the worst teams will lock those top 3 spots.. I like where they are right now and maybe it is their time to actually win the lottery ( only 2 of the worst seeds in 20 years have locked the number one pick)..

As for Wiggins I think he will be a star BUT He is not a Lebron or Durant or even a guy like LIllard who come right out and light up the stat sheet... Defensive he is ready but I think it will take 3 years to really polish his game.. However he can put a a reasonable 10ppg, 4 rpg, 2 spg as a rook
That is not reasonable for Wiggins at all.  I fully expect him to be at least 15 ppg, 5 rpg, 4 apg, and a steal or two.  Anything less is a vast disappointment for him.  Same thing with Parker.  Now Embiid will probably come along slower, but you still have to expect 10/7 with a couple of blocks from him.

Projecting Wiggins to average 4 assists as a rookie is way too optimistic.  Based on the handle and vision he's shown at Kansas, I'd be happy if he averages that many by his fourth year.  4 assists would put him in the top 10 in assists among swing players.  He's got a long ways to go to reach that level of a passer. 

15 points seems reasonable.  I doubt he's ready to be all that efficient though.  Maybe he averages 5 FTA, shoots 32 percent from 3 on not that many attempts and shoots 45 percent from the field.  I'd peg his true shooting percentage at around 52 percent. 

I could see Parker averaging more points, in the 17-18 area.  If he gets into better shape and that improves his quickness, maybe even more.  I don't think he's all that ready to be efficient either.   

Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2014, 10:36:12 AM »

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Jabari Parker seems like one of those guys who will average 20 points a night as a rookie but his team will lose 60 or so games.

I expect him to struggle to score efficiently consistently + I think he will give up just as many as points on the defensive end of the floor as he gets you on the offensive end of the floor. Making his overall impact minimal despite the gaudy stat lines.

I think Wiggins will be more of a role player type and won't have gaudy stats - maybe something like 12-14ppg and 6rpg -- but will be able to defend his position so will help his team a bit more than Parker initially. But overall, I don't see either guys having much of an impact their rookie years.

Embiid neither. Not even sure he starts his rookie year.

It's kind of a sorry looking group in terms of how ready these (very talented) players are to contribute their rookie years. None of them look ready.

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« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2014, 12:04:53 PM »

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Jabari Parker seems like one of those guys who will average 20 points a night as a rookie but his team will lose 60 or so games.

I expect him to struggle to score efficiently consistently + I think he will give up just as many as points on the defensive end of the floor as he gets you on the offensive end of the floor. Making his overall impact minimal despite the gaudy stat lines.

I think Wiggins will be more of a role player type and won't have gaudy stats - maybe something like 12-14ppg and 6rpg -- but will be able to defend his position so will help his team a bit more than Parker initially. But overall, I don't see either guys having much of an impact their rookie years.

Embiid neither. Not even sure he starts his rookie year.

It's kind of a sorry looking group in terms of how ready these (very talented) players are to contribute their rookie years. None of them look ready.
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« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2014, 05:18:10 AM »

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Not being ready to help a NBA team win can be said for almost all rookies.  Even an all-time great like Durant wasn't ready to help Seattle win his rookie season.  The players who are ready tend to be bigs who can be immediate defensive forces like Duncan (even without Robinson, he would've been highly influential) and Dwight Howard or point guards/point forwards like Paul, Lebron and Wade (who was a point guard his rookie season). 

Durant was a good scorer but didn't have much impact on defense or as a passer so his overall impact was blunted.  I see Parker in the same way his rookie season with less effective scoring.  Wiggins looks capable of playing good defense from the start but his scoring and passing might not even be average.  Embiid looks a little too skinny to have the kind of defensive impact he might have several years from now.  There's bound to be a lot of ups and downs as he wrangles with players who are just as big as him and stronger.

I'd peg Smart as the player who helps his team most his rookie season, provided his shot is better.  I don't think there is anything wrong with his stroke so with lots of repetition and NBA instruction, I can see his shot being a lot better.  With an average shot, he could be the kind of advanced player who upgrades his team a good amount. 

Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #51 on: March 13, 2014, 05:37:46 PM »

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If Wiggins changed his name to Dominique, would people finally realize his true player comp? It's crazy how much 'Nique I see in his game. He just needs to put some time in the gym and then the other gym. So no, I wouldn't play him at the 2 though he would be my pick if available.

Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #52 on: March 13, 2014, 06:52:48 PM »

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Homer Alert!!  Homer Alert!!  This roster would struggle to win 15 out of 20 games vs D-Leaguers, no less actual NBA teams.  ^_^ 

Keep dreaming, but I'm a realist.  There's no way we sniff the playoffs. Even with Rondo playing well, we have lost 7 out of our last 10.

Wiggins is going in the top 2. 

Boston will be picking 15th after they win 15 of the next 20 games.

Not happening.  We're making the playoffs this year.

I hope you are being sarcastic ;D because looking at bostons upcoming schedule...no way they win 15 out of 20

except for Philly everyone of those teams should be better than us.
Rondo is coming on strong.  Green is streaking.  Wallace going down paves the way for someone like Oly to step up. Sully is a beast.  Bradley is coming back soon.   I smell a huge win streak coming.

Uninformed ALERT:  Rondo didn't play in two of those 10 because he is NOT yet playing in back to backs!!  Did you notice that Avery is out.  Did you notice that Gerald is out?  Did you notice that our only true center on this team is OUT???  Was Avery an All-NBA defender last year?  Oh yes, he sure was!!!  Was Gerald finally starting to play decent ball?  Oh yes, he was!!!  Sully has been playing hurt for some time.  We gave away Lee for long-term financial flexibility.  This team is horrendously overloaded at certain positions and unbalanced because Danny does NOT want to win this year!!!  You understand that, right?  You understand that we will have two first rounders in the top 16-18, right?  You understand that we have a trade exception that might allow us to get Asik in July, right?  We will NOT be fielding anywhere close to the same team next year.  Next year's team will NOT resemble this year's team.  Even IF we came back with the same exact team, but healthy and had Rondo for the entire year and NOT skipping back to backs, we would win 30-35 games!!!  But that argument is totally irrelevant and a total waste of time, as we will NOT have the same team coming back.

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Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #53 on: March 13, 2014, 07:05:31 PM »

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If Parker is gone ,  I d take Wiggins now that Embiid has back issues.


Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #54 on: March 13, 2014, 08:21:43 PM »

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Jabari Parker seems like one of those guys who will average 20 points a night as a rookie but his team will lose 60 or so games.

I expect him to struggle to score efficiently consistently + I think he will give up just as many as points on the defensive end of the floor as he gets you on the offensive end of the floor. Making his overall impact minimal despite the gaudy stat lines.

I think Wiggins will be more of a role player type and won't have gaudy stats - maybe something like 12-14ppg and 6rpg -- but will be able to defend his position so will help his team a bit more than Parker initially. But overall, I don't see either guys having much of an impact their rookie years.

Embiid neither. Not even sure he starts his rookie year.

It's kind of a sorry looking group in terms of how ready these (very talented) players are to contribute their rookie years. None of them look ready.
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Lol

It's because of the hype. With how much people have been saying how good this rookie class is, the expectation is that they'll enter as saviors. Not rookies.

Lebrons Cavs missed the playoffs. Durant led his team to 20 wins and another lottery trip. Let's temper our expectations a bit.

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Re: Wiggins at SG should be our pick
« Reply #55 on: March 13, 2014, 08:32:04 PM »

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Homer Alert!!  Homer Alert!!  This roster would struggle to win 15 out of 20 games vs D-Leaguers, no less actual NBA teams.  ^_^ 

Keep dreaming, but I'm a realist.  There's no way we sniff the playoffs. Even with Rondo playing well, we have lost 7 out of our last 10.

Wiggins is going in the top 2. 

Boston will be picking 15th after they win 15 of the next 20 games.

Not happening.  We're making the playoffs this year.

I hope you are being sarcastic ;D because looking at bostons upcoming schedule...no way they win 15 out of 20

except for Philly everyone of those teams should be better than us.
Rondo is coming on strong.  Green is streaking.  Wallace going down paves the way for someone like Oly to step up. Sully is a beast.  Bradley is coming back soon.   I smell a huge win streak coming.

LOL

We'll rise a bit in the standings for all the reason I mentioned.  Should be picking 8-15 when the dust settles.  Wiggins isn't happening.

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« Reply #56 on: March 13, 2014, 09:27:52 PM »

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I think Wiggins will be the number 1 pick. Combination of his recent box scores which are insane, and Embiid's back problems, this is the trend.

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« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2014, 09:35:31 PM »

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guy once expected to be first overall goes first overall.

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« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2014, 01:07:05 PM »

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It's going to pain me if we can't get Wiggins.  The main concern about him was his outside shot and it's improved a lot.  His mechanics aren't super abbreviated anymore.  For all the talk about Parker being more polished and skilled, Wiggins has shot better from outside after Parker's unsustainable hot start.

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« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2014, 01:18:42 PM »

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Homer Alert!!  Homer Alert!!  This roster would struggle to win 15 out of 20 games vs D-Leaguers, no less actual NBA teams.  ^_^ 

Keep dreaming, but I'm a realist.  There's no way we sniff the playoffs. Even with Rondo playing well, we have lost 7 out of our last 10.

Wiggins is going in the top 2. 

Boston will be picking 15th after they win 15 of the next 20 games.

Not happening.  We're making the playoffs this year.

I hope you are being sarcastic ;D because looking at bostons upcoming schedule...no way they win 15 out of 20

except for Philly everyone of those teams should be better than us.
Rondo is coming on strong.  Green is streaking.  Wallace going down paves the way for someone like Oly to step up. Sully is a beast.  Bradley is coming back soon.   I smell a huge win streak coming.

LOL

We'll rise a bit in the standings for all the reason I mentioned.  Should be picking 8-15 when the dust settles.  Wiggins isn't happening.

Is this like a reverse jinx or something
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