Brighter Future... Boston or Orlando?

[bdm860]

I think too many of you are giving Boston the edge in management, when really that’s a large unknown.

Danny is a great GM, no argument from me there, but Rob Hennigan is an unknown.  The youngest GM ever, with years of experience training in 2 of the best front offices in the league in San Antonio and OKC.  He could be the LeBron or Durant of GMs for all we know.

But at the same time, some of you are also mentioning Boston has the edge in Brad Stevens, whose as unproven as Orlando's coach and GM...

I’m just saying, the bar is set high on the GM level, but Rob Hennigan might blow it out of the water.  Let’s hope not, but don’t be so quick to give Boston the edge there, same goes for coaching.

[KGs Knee]

Has to be Boston, if for no other reason than Orlando is Orlando.  They always screw it up eventually.

[Fred Roberts]

I think both teams are sitting pretty, but BOS has better current talent. If the C's had healthy Rondo, Bradley, Green, Sully, KO (Bass, Hump, Wallace) from pre-season til now, our record might be several wins better.

BOS has the potential to make the playoffs next year and turn it on faster. ORL will be slower to build up to playoff status IMO.

[jambr380]

I love the people here saying that free agents would obviously choose Boston over Orlando - what are you basing that on?

About five years ago I made the move from Boston to Orlando (also spend some time in South FL). I spent about 30 years of my life in New England and was totally sick of the cold. I still travel up to the northeastern cities in the summer months, but am always psyched to get back down to FL when the weather begins changing in September.

I get that Rondo is a draw and history is on the Cs side, but in terms of lifestyle, why would anybody want to freeze their butts off in Boston [unless they work in biotech or in higher education] when they can spend the winter months in FL and travel wherever else they would like to in the offseason?

While I hope players don't feel the way I do (I am ONLY a Celtic fan), I think that Orlando is actually a pretty big draw.

[BballTim]

The way the original post is written, it comes across as biased towards Orlando. 

Boston as a big edge in picks.  The unprotected picks from the Nets are a huge advantage not to mention the sheer number of picks Danny has accumulated.

The talent level on both teams favors the C's.  Rondo and Green are better than anyone on Orlando.  Bass is a solid vet.  Orlando's got -- drumroll please -- Jameer Nelson.

For youth, C's have Sully, AB and KO.  Fav too for that matter.  Orlando does have Vucevic, Afflalo and Oladipo but the rest just aren't putting it together like I thought the would.  Harkless, Nicholson and O'Quinn aren't developing into the solid players they were projected to become from that draft (as least not quickly).

As far as front office and ownership, I'll take Boston on that.  Orlando can't hang on to their prime talent despite their supposed advantages of taxes and weather.  speaks volumes about how the organization is run.

Considering the Celtics are on the verge of a big win steak that will leave them with the 15th and 18th picks, I still say Orlando has a brighter future.  Better youth.  Better picks in the immediate future.  More cap space. 

Boston has the advantage of being a premiere franchise in a huge sports city.  Rondo is more valuable than Afflalo even though Orlando would have more options for moving Afflalo.  We have more picks down the line, but they look like they will probably be late 1sts. 

Orlando seems to have a brighter future.

  Considering the trade value of players isn't very useful unless the players are being traded. We don't seem to be interested in trading Rondo and having him on the team for the foreseeable future means the Celts have a brighter future.

[PhoSita]

Considering the Celtics are on the verge of a big win streak that will leave them with the 15th and 18th picks, I still say Orlando has a brighter future.

What in the world makes you think this?  That's a pretty bold statement.  Hollinger Playoff Odds give the Celtics .9% chance of making the playoffs at this point.

[Smokeeye123]

Orlando will draft Embiid and Embiid will leave as a FA for LA.

[Endless Paradise]

The way the original post is written, it comes across as biased towards Orlando. 

Boston as a big edge in picks.  The unprotected picks from the Nets are a huge advantage not to mention the sheer number of picks Danny has accumulated.

The talent level on both teams favors the C's.  Rondo and Green are better than anyone on Orlando.  Bass is a solid vet.  Orlando's got -- drumroll please -- Jameer Nelson.

For youth, C's have Sully, AB and KO.  Fav too for that matter.  Orlando does have Vucevic, Afflalo and Oladipo but the rest just aren't putting it together like I thought the would.  Harkless, Nicholson and O'Quinn aren't developing into the solid players they were projected to become from that draft (as least not quickly).

As far as front office and ownership, I'll take Boston on that.  Orlando can't hang on to their prime talent despite their supposed advantages of taxes and weather.  speaks volumes about how the organization is run.

Rondo is the best player between the two teams, but I would not say Green is better than Afflalo.  Not at all.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I believe Boston is in a much better position. Sure Orlando currently has more ping pong balls but we have more assets and quality players. Teams like Orlando and Philly dumped quality players in order to have a losing record. While the celtics are right there with them and were able to hold onto our quality players (Bass, Green, Bradley, etc) all of whom championship caliber teams will want to trade for in the offseason after they lose in the playoffs.

As far As young talent goes HERE IS ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW:
Bradley vs Oladipo: Both are basically the same age and are putting up similar numbers....yeah look it up Bradley was one and done while Oladipo went three years in college .Oladipo turns 23 in like a month or so.

Sully is playing out of position. Many including ESPN regard him as the 5th best sophomore. And he has plenty of room to improve his conditioning and athleticism


  ....sorry its getting late can someone pick up where I left off

Bradley is turning 24 this year.  Oladipo is 21.  As far as talent it's not even close.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Victor-Oladipo/Summary/22337

Like I said Oladipo turns 23 in like a month or so. Im not saying Bradley is better but when I started my post I said I would give a dif perspective.  Also, I do not know how many ppl would put money on Oladipo getting those numbers on the Celts. Not like we are the best. But I do think we have a lot of midlevel talent.

The ESPN site has Oladipo a year younger.

Wow I really did not think that I would have to at least check 4 sources (some being the most established sites in sports) to get the correct age on Oladipo 

Bradley v Oladipo
All I wanted to get across was that people should not got down on our young players when compared with orlando. Even though we have similar records my opinion is that we have much more respectable quality role players, that could crack the rotation of almost any team.  IT REALL IS A PRODUCT OF THE OVERALL STRENGTH AND DEPTH OF LAST YEARS ROSTER, crossing over to this year. My point is that I would not put a lot of stock into his stats this year. but to each his own.

[LarBrd33]

I believe Boston is in a much better position. Sure Orlando currently has more ping pong balls but we have more assets and quality players. Teams like Orlando and Philly dumped quality players in order to have a losing record. While the celtics are right there with them and were able to hold onto our quality players (Bass, Green, Bradley, etc) all of whom championship caliber teams will want to trade for in the offseason after they lose in the playoffs.

As far As young talent goes HERE IS ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW:
Bradley vs Oladipo: Both are basically the same age and are putting up similar numbers....yeah look it up Bradley was one and done while Oladipo went three years in college .Oladipo turns 23 in like a month or so.

Sully is playing out of position. Many including ESPN regard him as the 5th best sophomore. And he has plenty of room to improve his conditioning and athleticism


  ....sorry its getting late can someone pick up where I left off

Bradley is turning 24 this year.  Oladipo is 21.  As far as talent it's not even close.

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Victor-Oladipo/Summary/22337

Like I said Oladipo turns 23 in like a month or so. Im not saying Bradley is better but when I started my post I said I would give a dif perspective.  Also, I do not know how many ppl would put money on Oladipo getting those numbers on the Celts. Not like we are the best. But I do think we have a lot of midlevel talent.

The ESPN site has Oladipo a year younger.

Wow I really did not think that I would have to at least check 4 sources (some being the most established sites in sports) to get the correct age on Oladipo 

Bradley v Oladipo
All I wanted to get across was that people should not got down on our young players when compared with orlando. Even though we have similar records my opinion is that we have much more respectable quality role players, that could crack the rotation of almost any team.  IT REALL IS A PRODUCT OF THE OVERALL STRENGTH AND DEPTH OF LAST YEARS ROSTER, crossing over to this year. My point is that I would not put a lot of stock into his stats this year. but to each his own.

Oladipo is 21.  He has star potential.  Looks like Wade as a rookie.

This is Bradley's 4th season.  He might be a long-term backup.  It's not close.

[colincb]

Oladipo is 21.  He has star potential.  Looks like Wade as a rookie.

This is Bradley's 4th season.  He might be a long-term backup.  It's not close.

It's a lot closer than your comparison to Wade. AB has only  1 more season in college and the NBA  combined than Oladipo.  VO has never been an offensive force, is very strong defensively, and can't play the PG.  Basically another AB except VO's better going to the basket and AB's a better mid-distance shooter. Neither may be an NBA starting SG, but AB has better points per possession numbers on both sides of the ball than Oladipo. Maybe Oladipo will catch up to Bradley (and It’s a reasonable bet that he won’t ), but comparing Oladipo to Wade is a longer reach than your joke about the Cs making a big run over the rest of the season.

Oladipo doesn't look like Wade as a rookie.  Wade came into the NBA as a great two-way player in college while Oladipo was primarily a defensive force who made most of his points going to the basket. He's never been an offensive player and he can't play PG being a 1:1 assists/TO playmaker. Strictly a SG who cannot shoot further than 3 feet away from the basket so far in the NBA (let’s see how teams defend him in the future, not that anyone has to game plan ORL)

Oladipo averaged 12.2 ppg combined for his sophomore and junior years seasons in college while Wade averaged 19.7 ppg during his two years as a freshman and sophomore. Oladipo makes all his points around the basket now and is a 41.1% shooter as a rookie compared to Wade's 46.5%.  Wade has never been a deep shooter, but he has the ability to create his own shot, and shoot beyond 3 feet.  Otherwise Wade's a better playmaker, turns the ball over less, and, even with his bum 32 year old wheels, is allowing fewer points per possession than Oladipo so far this year.

[Moranis]

I love the people here saying that free agents would obviously choose Boston over Orlando - what are you basing that on?

About five years ago I made the move from Boston to Orlando (also spend some time in South FL). I spent about 30 years of my life in New England and was totally sick of the cold. I still travel up to the northeastern cities in the summer months, but am always psyched to get back down to FL when the weather begins changing in September.

I get that Rondo is a draw and history is on the Cs side, but in terms of lifestyle, why would anybody want to freeze their butts off in Boston [unless they work in biotech or in higher education] when they can spend the winter months in FL and travel wherever else they would like to in the offseason?

While I hope players don't feel the way I do (I am ONLY a Celtic fan), I think that Orlando is actually a pretty big draw.

exactly, plus Florida has no state income tax while Massachusetts is very high.  Boston also has a pretty high cost of living.  The same salary is worth a lot more in Orlando than it is Boston.