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Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #60 on: March 15, 2014, 01:51:56 PM »

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If you think I misinterpreted your post it probably wasn't that clear to begin with. What were you saying that you think I missed?
We can all agree that Rondo's shooting somewhat better, correct? And yet, even conceding that he's  not at full tilt yet  that our team is horrible, and that I don't exactly expect him to carry our team LeBron style -- I am somewhat underwhelmed by the results.

   I don't think his shooting is dramatically different from last year other than his taking more threes and (due to his health) having problems finishing at the rim. He's far from full speed this year. It's to be expected for a variety of reasons. I'd be more interested in how he looks next year. He might not be able to carry a team "LeBron style" next year (aside: LeBron can't always carry teams "LeBron style". His 2012 team was on the verge of elimination to a depleted Celts team until Bosh came back). But again, how many players in the league aside from LeBron carry teams "LeBron style"?

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #61 on: March 15, 2014, 02:01:34 PM »

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The scout's evaluation was spot on - until he rolled out the 40th nonsense.

Acknowledging that Rondo's knee will be used as an excuse for him here when he's 42 and not getting the job done running the Toronto Raptors, there are some positive signs with his game - mild improvements in his shooting.

It remains ridiculous, and it always will, to consider Rondo a top-level star worthy of a rebuild-around. If Ainge and Wyc proceed under that assumption, they are going to Pitino this franchise. Again.

He is a good-but-not-great complementary player on a great team. You can direct all the vitriol you want toward professionals for their opinions, but you lose sight of one important fact - you are a Rondo fan, first and foremost. That is abundantly clear. They are paid to be anything but that.

You'll have to excuse me if I assign the professional the most credibility in this debate.

  Since you're so heavily invested in the opinion of the professional in this debate, don't forget what he said:

  "Three years ago, I was the only scout saying Rondo is overrated, and I was crucified for it."

  You're assigning the most credibility in the debate to a scout who was, by his own words, an outlier with a far from mainstream opinion. It's pretty evident that the people you disagree with hold an opinion more in line with the opinion the majority of the professionals hold, while you're standing firmly behind someone who's overall opinion of Rondo was summed up in a claim that you yourself consider to be nonsense.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #62 on: March 15, 2014, 02:03:50 PM »

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If you think I misinterpreted your post it probably wasn't that clear to begin with. What were you saying that you think I missed?
We can all agree that Rondo's shooting somewhat better, correct? And yet, even conceding that he's  not at full tilt yet  that our team is horrible, and that I don't exactly expect him to carry our team LeBron style -- I am somewhat underwhelmed by the results.

   I don't think his shooting is dramatically different from last year other than his taking more threes and (due to his health) having problems finishing at the rim. He's far from full speed this year. It's to be expected for a variety of reasons. I'd be more interested in how he looks next year. He might not be able to carry a team "LeBron style" next year (aside: LeBron can't always carry teams "LeBron style". His 2012 team was on the verge of elimination to a depleted Celts team until Bosh came back). But again, how many players in the league aside from LeBron carry teams "LeBron style"?

Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Anthony Davis
Aldridge
Lillard
Griffin
Joe Johnson
Derozan
Dragic
George
Wall
Curry
Harden
Wade
Nowitski

except Durant not stating these guys are at the same level as Lebron, but they can almost single handedly help you beat good playoff teams.  Rondo has helped us beat up on teams like Orlando, Detroit but he hasn't once yet this season helped us beat a good team

Yes our team lacks top level talent, but i bet you replace Rondo with any of these guys above and we would have several more wins by now plus for example win last night vs the suns or vs the pacers the other game

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #63 on: March 15, 2014, 02:17:22 PM »

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If you think I misinterpreted your post it probably wasn't that clear to begin with. What were you saying that you think I missed?
We can all agree that Rondo's shooting somewhat better, correct? And yet, even conceding that he's  not at full tilt yet  that our team is horrible, and that I don't exactly expect him to carry our team LeBron style -- I am somewhat underwhelmed by the results.

   I don't think his shooting is dramatically different from last year other than his taking more threes and (due to his health) having problems finishing at the rim. He's far from full speed this year. It's to be expected for a variety of reasons. I'd be more interested in how he looks next year. He might not be able to carry a team "LeBron style" next year (aside: LeBron can't always carry teams "LeBron style". His 2012 team was on the verge of elimination to a depleted Celts team until Bosh came back). But again, how many players in the league aside from LeBron carry teams "LeBron style"?

Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Anthony Davis
Aldridge
Lillard
Griffin
Joe Johnson
Derozan
Dragic
George
Wall
Curry
Harden
Wade
Nowitski

except Durant not stating these guys are at the same level as Lebron, but they can almost single handedly help you beat good playoff teams.  Rondo has helped us beat up on teams like Orlando, Detroit but he hasn't once yet this season helped us beat a good team

Yes our team lacks top level talent, but i bet you replace Rondo with any of these guys above and we would have several more wins by now plus for example win last night vs the suns or vs the pacers the other game

That's because a great scorer will always be more valuable than a great passer.
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Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #64 on: March 15, 2014, 02:52:42 PM »

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except Durant not stating these guys are at the same level as Lebron, but they can almost single handedly help you beat good playoff teams.  Rondo has helped us beat up on teams like Orlando, Detroit but he hasn't once yet this season helped us beat a good team

Yes our team lacks top level talent, but i bet you replace Rondo with any of these guys above and we would have several more wins by now plus for example win last night vs the suns or vs the pacers the other game
That's not what he meant. And obviously those guys are going to be more influential this season....they're all healthy.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #65 on: March 15, 2014, 03:26:20 PM »

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If you think I misinterpreted your post it probably wasn't that clear to begin with. What were you saying that you think I missed?
We can all agree that Rondo's shooting somewhat better, correct? And yet, even conceding that he's  not at full tilt yet  that our team is horrible, and that I don't exactly expect him to carry our team LeBron style -- I am somewhat underwhelmed by the results.

   I don't think his shooting is dramatically different from last year other than his taking more threes and (due to his health) having problems finishing at the rim. He's far from full speed this year. It's to be expected for a variety of reasons. I'd be more interested in how he looks next year. He might not be able to carry a team "LeBron style" next year (aside: LeBron can't always carry teams "LeBron style". His 2012 team was on the verge of elimination to a depleted Celts team until Bosh came back). But again, how many players in the league aside from LeBron carry teams "LeBron style"?

Durant
Westbrook
Paul
Anthony Davis
Aldridge
Lillard
Griffin
Joe Johnson
Derozan
Dragic
George
Wall
Curry
Harden
Wade
Nowitski

except Durant not stating these guys are at the same level as Lebron, but they can almost single handedly help you beat good playoff teams.  Rondo has helped us beat up on teams like Orlando, Detroit but he hasn't once yet this season helped us beat a good team

Yes our team lacks top level talent, but i bet you replace Rondo with any of these guys above and we would have several more wins by now plus for example win last night vs the suns or vs the pacers the other game

  It's possible that you could replace Rondo with a healthier player who could play more minutes as well and you'd get more wins. In the grand scheme of things, though, Rondo's led teams to more playoff wins that almost everyone on your list. Nobody wins games single-handedly, but by the definition that those players single-handedly win games Rondo single-handedly beat the best team in the league (with the best player in the league) in 2010 and almost did it again in 2012. How many players on your list have done that? 2? 3? Fewer?

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #66 on: March 15, 2014, 03:35:22 PM »

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except Durant not stating these guys are at the same level as Lebron, but they can almost single handedly help you beat good playoff teams.  Rondo has helped us beat up on teams like Orlando, Detroit but he hasn't once yet this season helped us beat a good team

Yes our team lacks top level talent, but i bet you replace Rondo with any of these guys above and we would have several more wins by now plus for example win last night vs the suns or vs the pacers the other game
That's not what he meant. And obviously those guys are going to be more influential this season....they're all healthy.

  Not to mention that most of them have a better supporting cast to "single-handedly"win games with.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #67 on: March 15, 2014, 04:17:04 PM »

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Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2014, 05:33:47 PM »

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i evventedn a dreinking ggaem where efveryy time bbgballtim says "2012" in ronda thred,, i ttakea shot.... laolololl... Sosoooooo dryrunk rite now!!1

Haaaaaataaaaahs GOnnnA HAAAAATE111!!  :) :) :) :) :) :( :)

   I can't think of many things more predictable than a stalky post like this a few days after you ask me not to respond to so many of your (nonsensical) posts. Be glad I'm not following you around and nipping at your ankles with childish comments.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #69 on: March 16, 2014, 09:55:37 PM »

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Rondo had another mediocre/bad game. 14 assist does not make up for shooting 3-14.  He is missing easy layups and floaters. Shots starting  pgs in this league has to make. 


Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2014, 09:59:57 PM »

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Rondo had another mediocre/bad game. 14 assist does not make up for shooting 3-14.  He is missing easy layups and floaters. Shots starting  pgs in this league has to make.

  Shots he's been making for years. He's generally among the leaders for point guards in terms of number of shots near the rim and fg% on those shots. He'll likely make more of those shots next year. He's not really playing at full speed yet and that's to be expected.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2014, 10:03:05 PM »

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Rondo had another mediocre/bad game. 14 assist does not make up for shooting 3-14.  He is missing easy layups and floaters. Shots starting  pgs in this league has to make.

  Shots he's been making for years. He's generally among the leaders for point guards in terms of number of shots near the rim and fg% on those shots. He'll likely make more of those shots next year. He's not really playing at full speed yet and that's to be expected.

I hope so bc its hard on the eyes right now.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #72 on: March 17, 2014, 10:13:44 AM »

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http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/rondo-again-takes-blame-celtics-loss

At least he knows.  A few of those floaters go in, we would of won the game.

Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2014, 10:17:19 AM »

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If you think I misinterpreted your post it probably wasn't that clear to begin with. What were you saying that you think I missed?
We can all agree that Rondo's shooting somewhat better, correct? And yet, even conceding that he's  not at full tilt yet  that our team is horrible, and that I don't exactly expect him to carry our team LeBron style -- I am somewhat underwhelmed by the results.

   I don't think his shooting is dramatically different from last year other than his taking more threes and (due to his health) having problems finishing at the rim. He's far from full speed this year. It's to be expected for a variety of reasons. I'd be more interested in how he looks next year. He might not be able to carry a team "LeBron style" next year (aside: LeBron can't always carry teams "LeBron style". His 2012 team was on the verge of elimination to a depleted Celts team until Bosh came back). But again, how many players in the league aside from LeBron carry teams "LeBron style"?
He was making threes and free throws. I was hoping it was a trend. Sadly, it looks like it may have been a streak -- and he's streaked like that in the past, too. Sometimes for a month or longer. Ah well.
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Re: Rajon Rondo's February
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2014, 10:56:19 AM »

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http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/rondo-again-takes-blame-celtics-loss

At least he knows.  A few of those floaters go in, we would of won the game.

Wait, so you're telling me that if we'd made more baskets, we would've won the game?

Can we tell that to Brandon Bass? Or Jeff Green? Should Stevens put "don't miss shots, guys" up on the bulletin board so they don't forget?
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