TJ Warren will go in lottery NOW

[Dog_Lover106]

I don't see his game translating to a top NBA level scorer, anymore than I see McDermott's. He's not a shooter and he doesn't have the elite athleticism to play the same sort of game he does at NC State in the pros.

I've mostly focused on the top 8 guys I haven't been looking deeper than that, I came up with the 7 I'd pick ahead of him for sure off the top of my head. Plus Exum I guess but I don't have any clue about him since its just highlight videos but the reputation is elite *shrug*. After that the whole draft is mostly a bunch of names to me.

Wiggins
Embid
Randle
Parker
Smart
Vonleh
Gordon

And how many 30 point games does your list have combined this season? Warren has seven by himself.

Warren's 36 points last night was the most a UNC team has given up in 7 years and the most scored by a NC State player in 21 years.

I realize this is a fan discussion board, but to say TJ Warren is a non shooter and un athletic is simply misinformed. Really does not sound like true evaluation based upon actual player observation?

Just because ESPN and Dicky V wants to hype the same 5 or 6 players over and over to build interest with the casual fan does not mean anything to me.

[TwinTower14]

His stock just sky rocketed!!  Despite getting double teamed and consistently fouled with virtually NO calls by McAdoo, he still drops 36 on UNC.

Man, some of the foul calls against him were utter bull crap.

UNC will not go far in the NCAA tourney with their FT shooting!!!

BTW, I told everyone that Syracuse was a paper tiger and I am sure that no one believed me.  Just saying:-)))

Smitty77

P.S. Sorry for the ramble.  I am peeved that my Wolfpack just got jobbed by the refs AT stinking HOME.  Boy, those refs must have been from around the corner in Chapel Hill!!!!!  I think they had UNC jerseys on underneath the strips.  How in the world does the leading scorer in the ACC who also leads the ACC in FG% NOT get the calls vs. McAdoo, the most overrated BUST in the country?

TJ Warren is a stud and he should be lottery bound!  UNC will be just fine come tourney time, they have one of the best resumes in the country and haven beaten some of the best teams college basketball has to offer ( Duke, Kentucky, UL, MSU). 

McAdoo overrated?  I think you may be the only person in the country that had him rated?

I am sure the Wolfpack will do just fine in the NIT:)  Just be happy that Hairston got kicked off the team because if he was on this team, it would be a wrap and Roy's boys would be cutting down the nets again for the 3rd time in a decade...

I think that UNC should be glad that they did NOT get the death penalty in BOTH basketball and football for players taking courses that were NOT even courses!!!  That is a FACT!!!  And if you think that I am the ONLY one that had McAdoo rated highly, you are gravely mistaken.  Go back and look at where he was rated coming out of high school and get back to me with an apology please.

Smitty77

hahaha...McAdoo was highly rated out of high school, he is now a junior, the cat is out of the bag.  He was overrated, you are a little late to the game.  Death penalty for the hoops team? give me a break, you clearly have hatred/ jealously for UNC hoops, I can understand when your favorite team will always be a punching bag for a real program...

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Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

[Tr1boy]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

[PickNRoll]

He's almost exactly the same caliber of athlete as Paul Pierce.  Much less athletic than Aaron Gordon, twice the athlete McDermott is.  Warren's athleticism is more than adequate.  I think there's a bit of a myth around the super-athletic SF's of the NBA.  The list is really short.  Lebron, KD, Rudy Gay, ??  Most get by on skill and toughness.

Nearly forgot about our own Jeff Green.  Imagine that. 

[Tr1boy]

Warren just as athletic as pierce and caron butler when they came out. But warren is 6'8. 

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Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

[Tr1boy]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

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Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

[Tr1boy]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

Hitting the three at a high rate is a luxury from any positions.  I rather have guys get and 1's intead. 

Warren hit last threes last year at 51 percent. But he attempted less shots.  His jump shot has actually improved this year.

When he is open he is hitting threes. Even with a hand in his face this year he is hitting it (though not consistently of course). 

In college he is being double teamed quite a bit bc he is the only decent player on the team. In the nba nobody is going to double team him right off the bat. He is going to go against better defenders, but still he should have a bit more room than he has now

Even if he won't be a great three pt shooter, he will make the wide open ones. He is going to get you points and be efficient. What else can you ask for? People here are putting warren down bc he can't shoot the three at a high rate is crazy imo. That is nitpicking.

[blink]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

Hitting the three at a high rate is a luxury from any positions.  I rather have guys get and 1's intead. 

Warren hit last threes last year at 51 percent. But he attempted less shots.  His jump shot has actually improved this year.

When he is open he is hitting threes. Even with a hand in his face this year he is hitting it (though not consistently of course). 

In college he is being double teamed quite a bit bc he is the only decent player on the team. In the nba nobody is going to double team him right off the bat. He is going to go against better defenders, but still he should have a bit more room than he has now

Even if he won't be a great three pt shooter, he will make the wide open ones. He is going to get you points and be efficient. What else can you ask for? People here are putting warren down bc he can't shoot the three at a high rate is crazy imo. That is nitpicking.

I am not putting Warren down, he is a good player.  I don't think lotto player, but who knows.

What I took exception with was your logic applied to why he would suddenly be a better 3 point shooter in the nba, and using the examples you did.  It doesn't make any sense.

Saying that there are other 3's who are great players but aren't great shooters while referencing Melo (a 43% shooter from 3) doesn't make any sense.  You are actually hurting your own argument by including Melo.

[Tr1boy]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

Hitting the three at a high rate is a luxury from any positions.  I rather have guys get and 1's intead. 

Warren hit last threes last year at 51 percent. But he attempted less shots.  His jump shot has actually improved this year.

When he is open he is hitting threes. Even with a hand in his face this year he is hitting it (though not consistently of course). 

In college he is being double teamed quite a bit bc he is the only decent player on the team. In the nba nobody is going to double team him right off the bat. He is going to go against better defenders, but still he should have a bit more room than he has now

Even if he won't be a great three pt shooter, he will make the wide open ones. He is going to get you points and be efficient. What else can you ask for? People here are putting warren down bc he can't shoot the three at a high rate is crazy imo. That is nitpicking.

I am not putting Warren down, he is a good player.  I don't think lotto player, but who knows.

What I took exception with was your logic applied to why he would suddenly be a better 3 point shooter in the nba, and using the examples you did.  It doesn't make any sense.

Saying that there are other 3's who are great players but aren't great shooters while referencing Melo (a 43% shooter from 3) doesn't make any sense.  You are actually hurting your own argument by including Melo.

are you suddenly calling melo a 3 pt sharpshooter? The guy after how many years is shooting it at a high rate

Early on not so much. That was not his game

You state an nba 3 wing should hit threes or able to at a high rate/per.  But its not mandatory. Its nice, but if you don't , what you can't be a nice player?

[blink]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

Hitting the three at a high rate is a luxury from any positions.  I rather have guys get and 1's intead. 

Warren hit last threes last year at 51 percent. But he attempted less shots.  His jump shot has actually improved this year.

When he is open he is hitting threes. Even with a hand in his face this year he is hitting it (though not consistently of course). 

In college he is being double teamed quite a bit bc he is the only decent player on the team. In the nba nobody is going to double team him right off the bat. He is going to go against better defenders, but still he should have a bit more room than he has now

Even if he won't be a great three pt shooter, he will make the wide open ones. He is going to get you points and be efficient. What else can you ask for? People here are putting warren down bc he can't shoot the three at a high rate is crazy imo. That is nitpicking.

I am not putting Warren down, he is a good player.  I don't think lotto player, but who knows.

What I took exception with was your logic applied to why he would suddenly be a better 3 point shooter in the nba, and using the examples you did.  It doesn't make any sense.

Saying that there are other 3's who are great players but aren't great shooters while referencing Melo (a 43% shooter from 3) doesn't make any sense.  You are actually hurting your own argument by including Melo.

are you suddenly calling melo a 3 pt sharpshooter? The guy after how many years is shooting it at a high rate

Early on not so much. That was not his game

You state an nba 3 wing should hit threes or able to at a high rate/per.  But its not mandatory. Its nice, but if you don't , what you can't be a nice player?

I never said that a player can't be a 'nice' player if he can't hit the 3 at a great rate.  Stop putting words in my mouth. 

I am questioning your logic that he will somehow improve as a 3 point shooter once he gets in the NBA because he will have more 'room' to shoot.  Like I said in all the other posts...

Maybe expecting logic is too much.  Maybe we really should draft Randle and play him as a wing (like your other post) as well.  He can rotate with TJ Warren.

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAjf4xadCc4

A Warren clip vs VT 5 days ago.  His floater is great. How do you stop it?

[Tr1boy]

Would be nice if a projected 3 could shoot the 3.

Its not mandatory. He will improve if he plays with better players and has some more room

Huh?  It isn't mandatory that an NBA wing player be a good 3 point shooter?  Well if they want be a great NBA wing it is.

And so by your logic he should have more 'room' to shoot 3's because he is playing in the NBA?  So NBA players are bigger, faster, stronger, taller, jump higher than college players, but his 3 point shot will improve once he gets to the NBA?

Am I taking crazy pills?

Yup. Bc its not. Lebron is not that great. Melo is not consistent. Pierce was streaky.

If you can score at other ways as long as you get the job done its done. Not everyone is durant or nowitski

So Melo - top 10 in 3point % this year isn't consistent?  He is shooting 43% from 3 on 284 attempts.  LBJ who routinely drops 3 pointers and cuts out teams hearts with them(see 2012 playoffs - celtics) is not that great?  There is absolutely no logic coming from those arguments, none. 

Plus you missed my whole point.  You said that Warren would somehow magically become a better 3 point shooter once he got to the NBA.  I think that's wishful thinking.  In this era of the NBA, wing players need to be able to hit 3's.

And Dirk isn't a 3/wing either.  He has nothing to do with the conversation.

Hitting the three at a high rate is a luxury from any positions.  I rather have guys get and 1's intead. 

Warren hit last threes last year at 51 percent. But he attempted less shots.  His jump shot has actually improved this year.

When he is open he is hitting threes. Even with a hand in his face this year he is hitting it (though not consistently of course). 

In college he is being double teamed quite a bit bc he is the only decent player on the team. In the nba nobody is going to double team him right off the bat. He is going to go against better defenders, but still he should have a bit more room than he has now

Even if he won't be a great three pt shooter, he will make the wide open ones. He is going to get you points and be efficient. What else can you ask for? People here are putting warren down bc he can't shoot the three at a high rate is crazy imo. That is nitpicking.

I am not putting Warren down, he is a good player.  I don't think lotto player, but who knows.

What I took exception with was your logic applied to why he would suddenly be a better 3 point shooter in the nba, and using the examples you did.  It doesn't make any sense.

Saying that there are other 3's who are great players but aren't great shooters while referencing Melo (a 43% shooter from 3) doesn't make any sense.  You are actually hurting your own argument by including Melo.

are you suddenly calling melo a 3 pt sharpshooter? The guy after how many years is shooting it at a high rate

Early on not so much. That was not his game

You state an nba 3 wing should hit threes or able to at a high rate/per.  But its not mandatory. Its nice, but if you don't , what you can't be a nice player?

I never said that a player can't be a 'nice' player if he can't hit the 3 at a great rate.  Stop putting words in my mouth. 

I am questioning your logic that he will somehow improve as a 3 point shooter once he gets in the NBA because he will have more 'room' to shoot.  Like I said in all the other posts...

Maybe expecting logic is too much.  Maybe we really should draft Randle and play him as a wing (like your other post) as well.  He can rotate with TJ Warren.

Didn't i already state to you that he is being double teamed frequently right now. What space does he have to shoot the three?? He has hands all over him

In the nba is he going to be double teamed?? I also stated to you when he has some space he can make the three at a decent rate

Do you get it?