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while the other thread 2014 draft 10-25 sfs - doug mcdermott, sam dekker, TJ warren, kyle anderson, discusses about sfs that are skilled but lack explosiveness, i wanted to see peoples opinion of how they would rank (1 to 4) the list of sfs below in terms of explosiveness.  The Celts could definitely use some more explosiveness in the lineup

Andrew Wiggins
Dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOzGtn9HS-o
Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jVXzLAQ3eI

Jerami Grant
Dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5isAbqAUC0
Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjlCgQB-rGk

Aaron Gordon
Dunk and Block
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bVoT3m9OlE

KJ Mcdaniel
Dunk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3W1RAkI-9k
Blocks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtT1htxkEA



Re: 2014 draft sfs - ranking explosiveness - Wiggins, Grant, Gordon, Mcdaniel
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2014, 12:28:25 AM »

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I heard from the BS Report, Chad Ford compared Aaron Gordon's ceiling to a more athletic Andrei Kirilenko.

I know he's not a good shooter, but if AK47's is going to be Gordon's NBA career, give me some of that.
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2014, 12:35:33 AM »

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I heard from the BS Report, Chad Ford compared Aaron Gordon's ceiling to a more athletic Andrei Kirilenko.

I know he's not a good shooter, but if AK47's is going to be Gordon's NBA career, give me some of that.

I agree. He plays with alot of heart and his teams usually win. Didnt even know he was world U19 mvp

How would you rank these players listed above in terms of explosiveness from 1-4 ?

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2014, 12:58:32 AM »

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I heard from the BS Report, Chad Ford compared Aaron Gordon's ceiling to a more athletic Andrei Kirilenko.

I know he's not a good shooter, but if AK47's is going to be Gordon's NBA career, give me some of that.

I agree. He plays with alot of heart and his teams usually win. Didnt even know he was world U19 mvp

How would you rank these players listed above in terms of explosiveness from 1-4 ?


Honestly, never really saw any KJ McDaniels games. Wiggins I think is still the most athletic and explosive. That double jump that he does is a beauty to watch.

Then I'd go Gordon and Grant.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2014, 01:14:38 AM »

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I heard from the BS Report, Chad Ford compared Aaron Gordon's ceiling to a more athletic Andrei Kirilenko.

I know he's not a good shooter, but if AK47's is going to be Gordon's NBA career, give me some of that.

Gordon is not more athletic than Kirilenko.  I actually happen to think Gordon isn't as athletic as he's been billed.  I think something stupid like looking like Blake Griffin has inflated it.  I'm not saying Gordon's not a very good athlete but like Derrick Williams, he's much better jumping with nobody around him when he can load up.  With people around him, when he has to jump more quickly, he doesn't stand out.

I think Kirilenko was smoother, quicker and even if he maybe didn't jump quite as high, his hefty length advantage mitigates that.

How does Gordon play like a more athletic Kirilenko in the first place?  Does he get more steals and blocks?  Not even close.  Does he project to?  I doubt it only because Kirilenko was among the best at his size in those areas. 

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I heard from the BS Report, Chad Ford compared Aaron Gordon's ceiling to a more athletic Andrei Kirilenko.

I know he's not a good shooter, but if AK47's is going to be Gordon's NBA career, give me some of that.

Gordon is not more athletic than Kirilenko.  I actually happen to think Gordon isn't as athletic as he's been billed.  I think something stupid like looking like Blake Griffin has inflated it.  I'm not saying Gordon's not a very good athlete but like Derrick Williams, he's much better jumping with nobody around him when he can load up.  With people around him, when he has to jump more quickly, he doesn't stand out.

I think Kirilenko was smoother, quicker and even if he maybe didn't jump quite as high, his hefty length advantage mitigates that.

How does Gordon play like a more athletic Kirilenko in the first place?  Does he get more steals and blocks?  Not even close.  Does he project to?  I doubt it only because Kirilenko was among the best at his size in those areas.

The similarities are both are the ultimate glue guys. Both are athletic , have underrated offensive skills and are top defenders.  Gordon is an excellent individual and team defender

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 08:51:02 AM »

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I am back on the Wiggins band wagon.  The schedule that Kansas has played is unreal.  Saw Joel Lunardi the other night say that Kansas has played the toughest schedule in recent memory and maybe ever.  Wiggins is putting together a [dang] good season ( 16ppg, 6rpg, 2assit ) shooting 45% from the field and 34% from the arc.  All while playing elite defense.  All this with a crappy PG, if he had a PG that could get him the ball in his spots on the floor he would be scary good....

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2014, 09:52:53 AM »

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I am back on the Wiggins band wagon.  The schedule that Kansas has played is unreal.  Saw Joel Lunardi the other night say that Kansas has played the toughest schedule in recent memory and maybe ever.  Wiggins is putting together a [dang] good season ( 16ppg, 6rpg, 2assit ) shooting 45% from the field and 34% from the arc.  All while playing elite defense.  All this with a crappy PG, if he had a PG that could get him the ball in his spots on the floor he would be scary good....

I agree. Wiggins has matured faster than i thought.

Playing without a pg this year, will actually be a benefit for him moving fwd.

Wiggins will be a top 3 pick so its not going to be easy to draft him. 

KJ Mcdaniel has the look and feel of wiggins though i'm sure is not as skilled. Very athletic though, acrobatic finishes around the rim, good jump shot and is considered one of the best rebounder and shot blocker for his position. Maybe could be considered with our 2nd 1st pick. Just don't want another Kedrick Brown error to happen again

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If we are looking for a guy to start as a 3, he needs more skills than Gordon, more of a handle.  That is why Jeff Gordon will never be a great 3: he has poor ball handling skills.  Pierce is the prototype I'd be looking for to fill that slot. Not easy to find.

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2014, 10:14:54 AM »

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If we are looking for a guy to start as a 3, he needs more skills than Gordon, more of a handle.  That is why Jeff Gordon will never be a great 3: he has poor ball handling skills.  Pierce is the prototype I'd be looking for to fill that slot. Not easy to find.

Aaron Gordon, not Jeff Gordon.  I do get what you mean, but we have been spoiled with what Pierce can do. A good half of sfs in the nba don't have great handles.

But don't forget Pierce also had his shortcomings and couldn't finish easily around the basket and could of been a better defender

Guys like Gordon, Grant, Wiggins, Mcdaniels are considered good defenders (can bail out teammates) and able to finish around the rim easily. They are above the rim guys with elite explosiveness

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I am back on the Wiggins band wagon.  The schedule that Kansas has played is unreal.  Saw Joel Lunardi the other night say that Kansas has played the toughest schedule in recent memory and maybe ever.  Wiggins is putting together a [dang] good season ( 16ppg, 6rpg, 2assit ) shooting 45% from the field and 34% from the arc.  All while playing elite defense.  All this with a crappy PG, if he had a PG that could get him the ball in his spots on the floor he would be scary good....

I agree. Wiggins has matured faster than i thought.

Playing without a pg this year, will actually be a benefit for him moving fwd.

Wiggins will be a top 3 pick so its not going to be easy to draft him. 

KJ Mcdaniel has the look and feel of wiggins though i'm sure is not as skilled. Very athletic though, acrobatic finishes around the rim, good jump shot and is considered one of the best rebounder and shot blocker for his position. Maybe could be considered with our 2nd 1st pick. Just don't want another Kedrick Brown error to happen again

I will have to check out KJ more.  With the second pick, I am really hoping Ainge grabs Hairston.  Guys that can score and have that kind of range don't grow on trees. 

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I am back on the Wiggins band wagon.  The schedule that Kansas has played is unreal.  Saw Joel Lunardi the other night say that Kansas has played the toughest schedule in recent memory and maybe ever.  Wiggins is putting together a [dang] good season ( 16ppg, 6rpg, 2assit ) shooting 45% from the field and 34% from the arc.  All while playing elite defense.  All this with a crappy PG, if he had a PG that could get him the ball in his spots on the floor he would be scary good....

I agree. Wiggins has matured faster than i thought.

Playing without a pg this year, will actually be a benefit for him moving fwd.

Wiggins will be a top 3 pick so its not going to be easy to draft him. 

KJ Mcdaniel has the look and feel of wiggins though i'm sure is not as skilled. Very athletic though, acrobatic finishes around the rim, good jump shot and is considered one of the best rebounder and shot blocker for his position. Maybe could be considered with our 2nd 1st pick. Just don't want another Kedrick Brown error to happen again

I will have to check out KJ more.  With the second pick, I am really hoping Ainge grabs Hairston.  Guys that can score and have that kind of range don't grow on trees.
"With the second pick, I am really hoping Ainge grabs Hairston.  Guys that can score and have that kind of range don't grow on trees"

Maybe so. But then of course we will just have to keep our fingers crossed that the loaded gun found next to his car belonged to someone else.

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If we are looking for a guy to start as a 3, he needs more skills than Gordon, more of a handle.  That is why Jeff Gordon will never be a great 3: he has poor ball handling skills.  Pierce is the prototype I'd be looking for to fill that slot. Not easy to find.

Until Pierce started to lose some of his quickness and that first step he never had problems finishing at the basket and was a solid defender.

Aaron Gordon, not Jeff Gordon.  I do get what you mean, but we have been spoiled with what Pierce can do. A good half of sfs in the nba don't have great handles.

But don't forget Pierce also had his shortcomings and couldn't finish easily around the basket and could of been a better defender

Guys like Gordon, Grant, Wiggins, Mcdaniels are considered good defenders (can bail out teammates) and able to finish around the rim easily. They are above the rim guys with elite explosiveness

Pierce never had problems finishing or defending until the last few seasons when age started creeping up on him.

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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2014, 11:57:07 AM »

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If we are looking for a guy to start as a 3, he needs more skills than Gordon, more of a handle.  That is why Jeff Gordon will never be a great 3: he has poor ball handling skills.  Pierce is the prototype I'd be looking for to fill that slot. Not easy to find.

Until Pierce started to lose some of his quickness and that first step he never had problems finishing at the basket and was a solid defender.

Aaron Gordon, not Jeff Gordon.  I do get what you mean, but we have been spoiled with what Pierce can do. A good half of sfs in the nba don't have great handles.

But don't forget Pierce also had his shortcomings and couldn't finish easily around the basket and could of been a better defender

Guys like Gordon, Grant, Wiggins, Mcdaniels are considered good defenders (can bail out teammates) and able to finish around the rim easily. They are above the rim guys with elite explosiveness

Pierce never had problems finishing or defending until the last few seasons when age started creeping up on him.

I agree but he was not elite in these two aspects of the game. He had his short comings. If ppl want another pierce and we draft out of of the top 7, warren will be a good choice