Can we just appreciate Rondo?

[Kc2135]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG. He will work his way back through the rest of this season, and the. We will have the pest point in the east. Trying to find a great PG in the NBA is like trying to find a great QB in the NFL. He seems to have matured, and showed his willingness to lead by travel to 95% of the games while injured he was engaging, and by all accounts gets along well with our new coach.  We should all pray we can keep him in green beyond 2015. Just my 2.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

Aaaaaaah welcome!!




Sit back and enjoy rationalizations for the most foolish of folly.

[j804]

No way we gotta dump him were guaranteed a franchise player in this star studded draft

[tarheelsxxiii]

Amen. Probably less substantial difference between lottery and late first round of this draft than in many past ones. Lot of good players coming out... no reason to give up Rondo. And the dude is a baller. I'd rather lose with Rondo than win with any other PGs in the league. He basically scores the points for our scrubs.

Not to mention Ainge will make another awful decision in this draft, just like the past two years. Best to avoid involving him as much as possible. Passing on Giannis and Hardaway, Jr., and moving up for ____... is just nauseating. My family members refused to watch the rising stars game b/c Olynyk was in it... just to provide my own personal perspective on how awful our last draft was. I like KO, but he's a Euro player, just like JuJuanna.

[AidaCelt]

Plenty of other teams passed on those 2 and I didn't see too many mocks that had them rated that highly. It's all well and good to say they passed on a couple of players, but that's after the fact!

And how exactly did he stuff up the previous draft? Took Sully, who has turned out really well especially considering where he was picked. The next pick... well that was taking a massive punt that didn't work, but with the position we were picking it more than half the time doesn't work anyway

[Eddie20]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG. He will work his way back through the rest of this season, and the. We will have the pest point in the east. Trying to find a great PG in the NBA is like trying to find a great QB in the NFL.

Don't think fully healthy he's a top 5 pg. You also can't compare  QBs to pg's. It's extremely difficult to win without a great QB, while teams without a great PG win titles all the time. Think about it, the last great PG on a title winning team was Tony Parker in 07.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG. He will work his way back through the rest of this season, and the. We will have the pest point in the east. Trying to find a great PG in the NBA is like trying to find a great QB in the NFL.

Don't think fully healthy he's a top 5 pg. You also can't compare  QBs to pg's. It's extremely difficult to win without a great QB, while teams without a great PG win titles all the time. Think about it, the last great PG on a title winning team was Tony Parker in 07.

Not only can you win...you can win a Super Bowl.

15TD 11INT  That QB rode a defense to a ring.

Ravens won with Flacco and 22/10/9 fumb.

I get what you wanted to say but it's a team sport and you can win the whole darn thing with a mediocre QB. I'm sure stat digging would find more.



How many of the other ones above him got rings

I think he's top 5.
He can lockdown defend when asked to or not when asked to cheat as Doc sometimes did which made him look like a loose cannon but I don't recall Doc calling Rondo out on defense? I could be wrong?

He can get the ball to the shooters favorite spot in a second on a dime.

He's got a ring

He can rebound better than most other PG's

He dropped 40 on Heat team that still beat em and took us in 7. If the gas didn't drain out of OTHER peoples tanks we had another shot. If Perk wasn't out for that 7th game in L.A. we...man we shoulda won that game. Lotta ifs but none are about Rondo disappearing in a big game. That's not the narrative on the guy. He's a baller only his mamma and Kobe could love.

He's got a ring (he should have 3)

This site will implode and explode in the same instant if this guy gets traded or walks away.

[Eddie20]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG. He will work his way back through the rest of this season, and the. We will have the pest point in the east. Trying to find a great PG in the NBA is like trying to find a great QB in the NFL.

Don't think fully healthy he's a top 5 pg. You also can't compare  QBs to pg's. It's extremely difficult to win without a great QB, while teams without a great PG win titles all the time. Think about it, the last great PG on a title winning team was Tony Parker in 07.

Not only can you win...you can win a Super Bowl.

15TD 11INT  That QB rode a defense to a ring.

Ravens won with Flacco and 22/10/9 fumb.

I get what you wanted to say but it's a team sport and you can win the whole darn thing with a mediocre QB. I'm sure stat digging would find more.



How many of the other ones above him got rings

I think he's top 5.
He can lockdown defend when asked to or not when asked to cheat as Doc sometimes did which made him look like a loose cannon but I don't recall Doc calling Rondo out on defense? I could be wrong?

He can get the ball to the shooters favorite spot in a second on a dime.

He's got a ring

He can rebound better than most other PG's

He dropped 40 on Heat team that still beat em and took us in 7. If the gas didn't drain out of OTHER peoples tanks we had another shot. If Perk wasn't out for that 7th game in L.A. we...man we shoulda won that game. Lotta ifs but none are about Rondo disappearing in a big game. That's not the narrative on the guy. He's a baller only his mamma and Kobe could love.

He's got a ring (he should have 3)

This site will implode and explode in the same instant if this guy gets traded or walks away.

That's why I said "it's extremely difficult to win without a great PG" and didn't rule it out as an impossibility. Winning without a great PG is common practice, however.

Rondo's a good 2nd piece on a team, but has too many scoring limitations to be the top guy. You need a guy that you can put in iso's and can either score for himself or cause double teams which creates looks for open teammates. That's pretty much the name of the game now. It used to be about big men, but now it's about having a transcendent player, regardless of position, that can take over in the 4th.

[Sketch5]

Amen. Probably less substantial difference between lottery and late first round of this draft than in many past ones. Lot of good players coming out... no reason to give up Rondo. And the dude is a baller. I'd rather lose with Rondo than win with any other PGs in the league. He basically scores the points for our scrubs.

Not to mention Ainge will make another awful decision in this draft, just like the past two years. Best to avoid involving him as much as possible. Passing on Giannis and Hardaway, Jr., and moving up for ____... is just nauseating. My family members refused to watch the rising stars game b/c Olynyk was in it... just to provide my own personal perspective on how awful our last draft was. I like KO, but he's a Euro player, just like JuJuanna.

Little over dramatic with the "awful decision" aren't we? Sully is WAY better than Hardaway right now. And Melo was a big risk move. We need a Center more than a shooting guard, which right now AB is a bit better than Hardaway right now as well. Well when he's one the floor any ways. The Center position is very much needed on this team, and some times you have to role the dice on bigs. Remember how mad people are that he passed on Jordan?

KO is better all around than Giannis is right now. DA like Giannis, but maybe there was something about KO he really liked. Could also be trade bait for Utah who really liked him. In the Bucks game KO had 14pts, and Giannis had 4pts. Yeah theres a lot of potential with that kid, but he could very easily go bust as well. Plus I think DA was hoping Green would be a little better, and why draft a SF if you already had one. It's like when people get on DA for not drafting guys like Gay, when when ready had PP in that spot.

To say that KO is a Euro player to try to insult his ability is a bit weak. Also you do know that Giannis was a  euro player right? 

[paidthecost2betheboss]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG. He will work his way back through the rest of this season, and the. We will have the pest point in the east. Trying to find a great PG in the NBA is like trying to find a great QB in the NFL.

Don't think fully healthy he's a top 5 pg. You also can't compare  QBs to pg's. It's extremely difficult to win without a great QB, while teams without a great PG win titles all the time. Think about it, the last great PG on a title winning team was Tony Parker in 07.

Not only can you win...you can win a Super Bowl.

15TD 11INT  That QB rode a defense to a ring.

Ravens won with Flacco and 22/10/9 fumb.

I get what you wanted to say but it's a team sport and you can win the whole darn thing with a mediocre QB. I'm sure stat digging would find more.



How many of the other ones above him got rings

I think he's top 5.
He can lockdown defend when asked to or not when asked to cheat as Doc sometimes did which made him look like a loose cannon but I don't recall Doc calling Rondo out on defense? I could be wrong?

He can get the ball to the shooters favorite spot in a second on a dime.

He's got a ring

He can rebound better than most other PG's

He dropped 40 on Heat team that still beat em and took us in 7. If the gas didn't drain out of OTHER peoples tanks we had another shot. If Perk wasn't out for that 7th game in L.A. we...man we shoulda won that game. Lotta ifs but none are about Rondo disappearing in a big game. That's not the narrative on the guy. He's a baller only his mamma and Kobe could love.

He's got a ring (he should have 3)

This site will implode and explode in the same instant if this guy gets traded or walks away.

That's why I said "it's extremely difficult to win without a great PG" and didn't rule it out as an impossibility. Winning without a great PG is common practice, however.

Rondo's a good 2nd piece on a team, but has too many scoring limitations to be the top guy. You need a guy that you can put in iso's and can either score for himself or cause double teams which creates looks for open teammates. That's pretty much the name of the game now. It used to be about big men, but now it's about having a transcendent player, regardless of position, that can take over in the 4th.

TP for you for not getting defensive and losing your bearings like a lot seem to do when not agreeing.

2nd I agree he is a defacto 2nd piece because he needs somebody to feed. He is that type of PG great at it, perhaps the best pure PG/Floor general. The game is evolving though. Is Stevens  game plan to have a general? I'm not familiar with Butlers formula. If it requires Rondo to let go of control and get off the ball faster as a point of the offense's design then we might have a problem. I think most teams would love to have a PG who can thread laces with the ball...those teams already have scorers though and we don't. I love Rondo but he's a 2nd, 3rd piece (i'd like him feeding 2 really good scorers which would make him the 3rd wheel in a new big 3.

I don't think CP3 gets a ring on the team he's in now. Not with it's members now and folks say he's the man (some folks) That's nice but I can't see the Clips getting out of the West. Like you said...who's the Heats PG? You implied anyway Lebron pretty much.

I'd still take Rondo over CP3 because I think CP3 can't win the big game. He hasn't so far and his rivals got stronger than he did. He is in a bad "almost awesome" scenario. So the "Best PG" is about as important as the "Best Center". All that rambling said...Rondo is top 5 IMO. I'd rather have the Pacers PG than anyone else...heck...I wanna be like the Pacers. Big.

[Jailan34]

Rondo isn't a top 5 point guard.

[BballTim]

Rondo's a good 2nd piece on a team, but has too many scoring limitations to be the top guy. You need a guy that you can put in iso's and can either score for himself or cause double teams which creates looks for open teammates. That's pretty much the name of the game now. It used to be about big men, but now it's about having a transcendent player, regardless of position, that can take over in the 4th.

  Even if you don't like Rondo there's no way you can watch games and come away saying he can't create looks for open teammates. He does it all the time, frequently with dribble penetration. Check out the 2012 playoffs if you can, and look for all the plays where Rondo draws KG's defender towards him and then passes the ball to KG for an open jumper. That alone must have happened 4-5 times a game.

[BballTim]

Rondo isn't a top 5 point guard.

  He has been for years. He might not be at the moment but he should be again by the time he's healthy.

[Jailan34]

Rondo isn't a top 5 point guard.

  He has been for years. He might not be at the moment but he should be again by the time he's healthy.

Since we're not taking injuries into account here I'd still take Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Lillard, Wall, Irving and Paul over RR.

[GreenWarrior]

It feels like a lot of people on this board want to get rid of a top 5 PG.

stop right there! that's the problem, a fair share of the Celtics community doesn't acknowledge rondo as a top 5 PG. never have, never will. because he doesn't score like rose or chris paul.