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My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« on: February 13, 2014, 09:58:07 PM »

Offline TheFlex

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Recently dream starting lineups for 2014-15 were discussed in this thread: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=69603.0 Below is my extensive answer.

I think the Celtics can begin their next dynasty as soon as this summer. Current gossip pegs the Celtics as buyers not next year, but in the summer of 2015. I believe they can get the process underway much earlier. Here's how:

2013-14 trade deadline moves:

Trade Jeff Green to ATL for Elton Brand, DeMarre Carroll, and 2015/2017 BKN second round picks: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pone5d4

Trade Brandon Bass, Kris Humphries and the 2014/15 PHI first rounder/2016+ PHI second rounders for Emeka Okafor and Miles Plumlee: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kg2mjq3

This gets us worse immediately. We conclude the season with the league's fourth worst record (a conservative estimate, IMO, especially if Bradley's injuries persist). Let's be conservative again and assume that we a) get the fourth pick and not a higher one and b) we need the second pick to select Andrew Wiggins.

2014 NBA Draft moves:

Trade 2014 fourth pick, 2014 18th pick (what we're owed by Brooklyn as of right now) and 2015/2017 BKN second rounders (from ATL) for the 2014 second pick (as you can guess by the theme, a very conservative trade proposal by my estimations).

Select Andrew Wiggins, sign for 3 yrs (he can opt out after)/$13 million (roughly).

2014 Summer Off-Season moves:

Allow Elton Brand ($4 million), Emeka Okafor ($14,487,500) and Avery Bradley ($2,511,432) to expire. Waive Keith Bogans ($5,058,198). This would put our salary hold at $39,211,014 with a $62,100,000 salary cap for next year, giving us $22,888,986 to work with.

Keep Vitor Faverani and Phil Pressey. Bring over Colton Iverson (who will be payed roughly $820,000).

Re-sign Jerryd Bayless for 2 yrs/$6,270,000 (conservative total dollar amount).

Sign Lance Stephenson to 4yrs/$48 million (roughly, and conservative as well in total dollar amount -- remember Rondo only got an average of $11 million!).

Sign Thabo Sefolosha to 3 yrs/$10.5 million (roughly, and conservative in both years extended and total dollar amount).

This leaves us with a roughly $59.6 million dollar salary hold in 2015, giving us a couple million to work throughout the season.

2014-15 roster

Rondo/Bayless/Pressey
Stephenson/Sefolosha/[Bayless]
Wiggins/Wallace/Carroll
Sullinger/Olynyk/[Plumlee]
Plumlee/Faverani/Iverson/Anthony


Concerns: Shooting. My counterargument to that point: Rondo looks to have improved his shot and Stephenson has done the same. Wiggins looks to have, at worst, a steady shot; he's shooting at a decent clip both from two and from three. Two reasons to be optimistic about his efficiency: a) he's recently become more aggressive and generally that leads to lesser efficiency. This should improve as he becomes comfortable with his role as alpha dog; b) he's very young. Generally young stars improve in the areas they're expected to excel in.

2015 cap flexibility. The Celts are apparently very intrigued with the 2015 free agent class. Of course, this would all change if we were able to put together the team I've constructed above, but for some this still may be a concern. We'd still head into that offseason with, I think, at least five million, but I could be wrong. We wouldn't have a lot of space to sign non-Celtic free agents but we'd have enough to sign Rondo to a max contract and still be below the luxury tax line.

Final comments: At least in my opinion, all of my proposals were done conservatively (if you didn't get that already). Getting the second pick and selecting Wiggins is very much in the realm of possibility. Getting the third pick and selecting Wiggins is even more so in the realm of possibility. We could end up not having to give Stephenson a $12 mil per year average. And on, and on, and on. Still, my conservative plan works by my calculations, though I could be wrong, with enough room to lock up Rondo in 2015.


Draft: 8 first rounders in next 5 years.

Cap space: $24 mil.

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Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2014, 10:14:58 PM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2014, 10:23:22 PM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

If this could actually happen I would be ecstatic

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2014, 10:46:11 PM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

Some risk here. Unknown really if Exum will ever be as good as Rondo.
I do like Hayward over Bradley.
Who knows if Barnes will take the next step, and ever be better than Green.  Seems to have trouble creating his own shot.
I'm not convinced yet Randle will be a better pro than Sully.
Monroe is not really a defensive center.  I'd prefer more of a defensive anchor at center.

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2014, 12:11:57 AM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

If this could actually happen I would be ecstatic

This is essentially mortgaging our future (picks) for this team; We don't know if the players will blend and we may end up as New York basically is now;

Peavey Bass Player - relearning to play after 10 years sucks;

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2014, 12:28:54 AM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

If this could actually happen I would be ecstatic

This is essentially mortgaging our future (picks) for this team; We don't know if the players will blend and we may end up as New York basically is now;

I agree the above proposal is both illegal in the eyes of NBA law and skeptical from a chemistry standpoint, but I don't understand the comparison, whether you're referencing the Knicks or Nets. The Knicks are bad because they've made moves for bad players in general (Amar'e was good for 1-2 years with them but still overpaid from the start, JR Smith was always unsteady for the game's on and off court speed) and because their coach stinks. Secondly, we aren't giving away nearly the amount of picks to become the Nets. We have 10 first rounders over the next five years if you count the PHI pick. We're giving away the Pacers' pick which we received in another trade (cancels itself out), you're giving the Jazz three picks and a second rounder, and you're swapping picks in the 2014 draft (cancels out). You still have seven first rounders over five years and one less second rounder. That's far from the Nets.


Draft: 8 first rounders in next 5 years.

Cap space: $24 mil.

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Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2014, 12:42:32 AM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

If this could actually happen I would be ecstatic

This is essentially mortgaging our future (picks) for this team; We don't know if the players will blend and we may end up as New York basically is now;

I agree the above proposal is both illegal in the eyes of NBA law and skeptical from a chemistry standpoint, but I don't understand the comparison, whether you're referencing the Knicks or Nets. The Knicks are bad because they've made moves for bad players in general (Amar'e was good for 1-2 years with them but still overpaid from the start, JR Smith was always unsteady for the game's on and off court speed) and because their coach stinks. Secondly, we aren't giving away nearly the amount of picks to become the Nets. We have 10 first rounders over the next five years if you count the PHI pick. We're giving away the Pacers' pick which we received in another trade (cancels itself out), you're giving the Jazz three picks and a second rounder, and you're swapping picks in the 2014 draft (cancels out). You still have seven first rounders over five years and one less second rounder. That's far from the Nets.

How is it illegal? Just wondering

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2014, 01:04:34 AM »

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Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for Greg Monroe and filler

Brandon Bass and Keith Bogans for Emeka Okafor and the Pacers 1st round pick (30th)

Rajon Rondo for Cody Zeller, MKG, Ben Gordon, 2014 pistons 1st round pick (10th), a few more future pick

MKG,Cody Zeller, Pacers 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick for Harrison Barnes

Sign and trade for Gordon Hayward....Give the Jazz 3 future 1st round picks to take back Gerald Wallace

On draft night:trade Sullinger and the 10th pick for the 6th pick

Draft:
Our pick #4: Dante Exum
Sixth Pick:  Julius Randle
Hawks #19:  Willie Cauley-stein

Sign:
Paul Pierce
Jimmer Freddette

Pg Dante Exum / Jeryd Bayless
Sg Gordan Hayward / Jimmer Freddette
Sf Harrison Barnes / Paul Pierce
Pf Julius Randle / Kris Humphries
C  Greg Monroe / Kelly Olynk

Extremely bright future

If this could actually happen I would be ecstatic

This is essentially mortgaging our future (picks) for this team; We don't know if the players will blend and we may end up as New York basically is now;

I agree the above proposal is both illegal in the eyes of NBA law and skeptical from a chemistry standpoint, but I don't understand the comparison, whether you're referencing the Knicks or Nets. The Knicks are bad because they've made moves for bad players in general (Amar'e was good for 1-2 years with them but still overpaid from the start, JR Smith was always unsteady for the game's on and off court speed) and because their coach stinks. Secondly, we aren't giving away nearly the amount of picks to become the Nets. We have 10 first rounders over the next five years if you count the PHI pick. We're giving away the Pacers' pick which we received in another trade (cancels itself out), you're giving the Jazz three picks and a second rounder, and you're swapping picks in the 2014 draft (cancels out). You still have seven first rounders over five years and one less second rounder. That's far from the Nets.

How is it illegal? Just wondering

Boston's trading rights the players received from the Rondo deal are restricted from being deal as a package of any number of them. I'm almost sure they can only be dealt when isolated in a deal. I'm not sure about draft picks with respect to this rule, but I know for sure this is true for acquired players. Since you know the position the Pistons will be slotted in (you said 10), I can assume that you'd want the Rondo deal to happen after the season but before the draft, right? In which case, the deals are too close in proximity to one another.

I'm actually intrigued by your idea I just think your roster comes with more questions than mine. Your collection of players is younger (literally) but also just less mature in general. Harrison Barnes will be entering his third season like Miles Plumelee and Jared Sullinger, but it appears to me his future is far less certain than their's. Also not convinced about the mesh of skill sets. I just disagree with the common notion that Monroe could play C and have the same long term success he would playing at PF.


Draft: 8 first rounders in next 5 years.

Cap space: $24 mil.

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Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2014, 01:52:53 AM »

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I like a lot of the trade angles you are going for, but I wouldn't give up 3 picks for Wallace.  I don't think we need the cap space that badly.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2014, 04:11:00 AM »

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Dream team  for next year

First and foremost, team stays as is or a minor deal occurs at the deadline to free up cap space.

Draft day we select Janari Parker

Draft day do a trade that is Sully, Hump, Wallace, AB, bogans Philly picks and our ATL pick as we'll other fillers for

Melo And Tyson Chandler

Starting 5

Rondo
Jeff Green
Jabari Parker
Melo
Tyson

Sign Paul pierce Vet min.

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2014, 05:06:24 AM »

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If we're not getting a top 3 pick, my dream Celtics roster is:

Rondo/Bradley/Pressey
Stephenson/Carter
Hayward/Pierce/Johnson
Sullinger/Gordon
Gasol/Anthony

Now we trade Humphries, Green, Faverani, Wallace for expirings.
Then we draft Gordon and we trade Bass (expiring), Bogans, Olynyk + draft picks to get Gasol.
After that, we sign Stephenson (12 $ a year x 4 years), Hayward (10 $ a year x 5 years), re-sign Bradley (6 $ the first year, 40$ x 5 years) and Rondo (16 $ the first year, 90$ x 5 years).
In the end we sign Pierce and Carter with the minimum.

Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2014, 07:30:20 AM »

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Some nice work there -- you obviously put some effort in. You basically had me until you left the draft.

~ Stephenson is a fluke rule player to me -- he's a Joe Dumars-type signing. And I don't think he fits well next to Rondo.

~ You're overpaying Bayless. He's not a rotation guy on a real team.

~ You're signing 3 shooting guards at the same time, two of which are extraneous role players. I like Sefo but he's averaging 7 pts a game spotting up next to Kevin Durant. I could do that in flip flops.

Do the things you're talking about to recycle this roster with youth, then be patient. Don't just spend the cap space because it's there -- save it and use it more wisely. Guys like Sefo are easy to sign once you establish you're a contender, so hold off to see who is actually good when that time comes.

But TP for the ideas.
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Re: My dream Celtics roster for 2014-15
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2014, 08:15:41 AM »

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Some nice work there -- you obviously put some effort in. You basically had me until you left the draft.

~ Stephenson is a fluke rule player to me -- he's a Joe Dumars-type signing. And I don't think he fits well next to Rondo.

~ You're overpaying Bayless. He's not a rotation guy on a real team.

~ You're signing 3 shooting guards at the same time, two of which are extraneous role players. I like Sefo but he's averaging 7 pts a game spotting up next to Kevin Durant. I could do that in flip flops.

Do the things you're talking about to recycle this roster with youth, then be patient. Don't just spend the cap space because it's there -- save it and use it more wisely. Guys like Sefo are easy to sign once you establish you're a contender, so hold off to see who is actually good when that time comes.

But TP for the ideas.

I would disagree on Bayless and Stephenson. I think Bayless has been phenonenal for the Celts and I would LOVE to see him be a big part of the future of the Celtics.

As for Stephenson, I really like him as well. A fighting competitve who can shoot really well.

A backcourt featuring Rondo, Stephenson and Bayless sounds very good to me.

I also think it's time to move on from Avery Bradley.

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2014, 08:30:24 AM »

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I would disagree on Bayless and Stephenson. I think Bayless has been phenonenal for the Celts and I would LOVE to see him be a big part of the future of the Celtics.

As for Stephenson, I really like him as well.

I also think it's time to move on from Avery Bradley.

Bayless has put up some numbers by default on a weak NBA team. He's a vet min player, $2mil per year if he's lucky. He's overpaid at $3mil+.

I don't really follow the recent venom for Bradley. He's a restricted FA -- wait and see how cheaply he can be signed before you decide the future of his job is Jerryd Bayless. One guy has a unique NBA skill, the other doesn't. 

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2014, 08:50:51 AM »

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2013-14 trade deadline moves:

Trade Jeff Green to ATL for Elton Brand, DeMarre Carroll, and 2015/2017 BKN second round picks: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pone5d4
No, just no.  this is trading Jeff Green just for the sake of trading Jeff Green.  no.  this is a crappy deal.  we can and should do better than Jeff Green.  not against trading Green, but we have to actually get something back for him that's of value.
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Trade Brandon Bass, Kris Humphries and the 2014/15 PHI first rounder/2016+ PHI second rounders for Emeka Okafor and Miles Plumlee: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kg2mjq3
Not liking the unloading of the Philly picks.  I think they make the playoffs next year (barely) so we get a mid-1st rounder in what's expected to be a decent draft.  We're helping Phx out with 2 good forwards off the bench (Hump can play some C for them as well).  Both are better than Plumlee and Hump is an expiring deal which essentially makes Okafor's expiring deal irrelevant.  Not only keep the pick but make Phx send us one of theirs.  worst 1st rounder they have and I'd probably be fine with this-->not sold on Plumlee becoming as good as either Bass or Hump but at least he's not a stiff and he's big.

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This gets us worse immediately. We conclude the season with the league's fourth worst record (a conservative estimate, IMO, especially if Bradley's injuries persist). Let's be conservative again and assume that we a) get the fourth pick and not a higher one and b) we need the second pick to select Andrew Wiggins.
We'd be definitely worse but the teams below us still suck more than we do.  We'd probably sink no lower than 5th so we've given away 3 of our best trade assets for crap and have to hope to luck into a lucky draw in the lottery.  That's just really bad planning.


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2014 NBA Draft moves:

Trade 2014 fourth pick, 2014 18th pick (what we're owed by Brooklyn as of right now) and 2015/2017 BKN second rounders (from ATL) for the 2014 second pick (as you can guess by the theme, a very conservative trade proposal by my estimations).

Select Andrew Wiggins, sign for 3 yrs (he can opt out after)/$13 million (roughly).
As mentioned above, we'd most likely pick 5th provided someone with a better record doesn't leapfrog us into the top 3.
If we have the fifth pick after clearing out the vets with talent, I would anticipate Danny trading the pick.  No team lucky enough to get a top 3 (or possibly 4) pick is trading it.  any thoughts of someone handing over Embiid, Parker or Wiggins for a chance to draft in the second tier of players and some lesser talent isn't happening.  I love Rondo but I don't think we could trade him and the 5th pick to crack the top 3 based on the expectations of those 3 players.

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2014 Summer Off-Season moves:

Allow Elton Brand ($4 million), Emeka Okafor ($14,487,500) and Avery Bradley ($2,511,432) to expire. Waive Keith Bogans ($5,058,198). This would put our salary hold at $39,211,014 with a $62,100,000 salary cap for next year, giving us $22,888,986 to work with.

Keep Vitor Faverani and Phil Pressey. Bring over Colton Iverson (who will be payed roughly $820,000).

Re-sign Jerryd Bayless for 2 yrs/$6,270,000 (conservative total dollar amount).

Sign Lance Stephenson to 4yrs/$48 million (roughly, and conservative as well in total dollar amount -- remember Rondo only got an average of $11 million!).

Sign Thabo Sefolosha to 3 yrs/$10.5 million (roughly, and conservative in both years extended and total dollar amount).

This leaves us with a roughly $59.6 million dollar salary hold in 2015, giving us a couple million to work throughout the season.
I get the concept of clearing expiring deals in the hopes of landing FA's.  Looking at what you're suggesting:
- AB, if continually injured, will be lucky to command MLE this offseason.  he's a good change-of-pace pressure defender to bring off the bench that could wreak havoc on an opposing backup PG.  I think Danny keeps him if it's $6 mill or less per year.  He's not starter-quality and I wouldn't pay him starter money.
- Vitor and Pressey are here next year.  continue to develop them.
- Bayless hasn't shown he's worth keeping, certainly not more than vet min.  I wouldn't bother to resign him.  I'm hoping that by camp, Pressey has developed into a solid backup behind Rondo.
- Stephenson, nice player but not at $12 mill per year.  waaaaay overpaying.  If he gets that much from someone, congratulate him and send him on his way.  Offer $9 mill a year (Green money) and if he takes it fine.  I think it's far more likely he stays in Indy to play for a top team. 
-Thabo?  no thanks.  decent player but I think we can do better for that money.  he's not a great shooter.  good defender but I'd take a hard look at CJ after a training camp and see what he brings to the table.  He's not Thabo on D but he's already better on O.

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2014-15 roster

Rondo/Bayless/Pressey
Stephenson/Sefolosha/[Bayless]
Wiggins/Wallace/Carroll
Sullinger/Olynyk/[Plumlee]
Plumlee/Faverani/Iverson/Anthony

As mentioned before, no chance in hell of getting Wiggins without drawing a top 3 pick in the draft. 

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Concerns: Shooting. My counterargument to that point: Rondo looks to have improved his shot and Stephenson has done the same. Wiggins looks to have, at worst, a steady shot; he's shooting at a decent clip both from two and from three. Two reasons to be optimistic about his efficiency: a) he's recently become more aggressive and generally that leads to lesser efficiency. This should improve as he becomes comfortable with his role as alpha dog; b) he's very young. Generally young stars improve in the areas they're expected to excel in.
offense in general would be a concern as would your Center rotation.  not a proven one in the bunch.
also a very young team that would need years to develop.  never a guarantee that happens or that the players stick around once they do.  case in point, you're assuming you can land Stephenson now that he's developed for Indy.  that reasoning would lead to the belief that someone would sign one of our building blocks from us.

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2015 cap flexibility. The Celts are apparently very intrigued with the 2015 free agent class. Of course, this would all change if we were able to put together the team I've constructed above, but for some this still may be a concern. We'd still head into that offseason with, I think, at least five million, but I could be wrong. We wouldn't have a lot of space to sign non-Celtic free agents but we'd have enough to sign Rondo to a max contract and still be below the luxury tax line.
Cap flexibility will be even better in 2015 without making these deals.  Only player that would be here under contract if we negated your deals is Green and he'd be an expiring going into 2016.  So would Wallace.  both become much more tradable and we have a pretty good cap situation heading into that offseason to look at FA's if Danny chooses.

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Final comments: At least in my opinion, all of my proposals were done conservatively (if you didn't get that already). Getting the second pick and selecting Wiggins is very much in the realm of possibility. Getting the third pick and selecting Wiggins is even more so in the realm of possibility. We could end up not having to give Stephenson a $12 mil per year average. And on, and on, and on. Still, my conservative plan works by my calculations, though I could be wrong, with enough room to lock up Rondo in 2015.
IMHO, what you consider conservative isn't always the case.  your trade scenarios and FA signings fit what you want to build as a team.  that's fine, but I think you swing from conservative (Green trade and Bass trade are too conservative) to too optimistic (trading for the second pick in the draft) to not sensible financially (Stephenson signing, Bayless signing).

kudos for having the cajones to put your opinions out there for debate.  if you want to pick mine apart, they're back in the original thread.