Another double double for KO

[Tr1boy]

Pressey has shown us what he has, and the answer is not much.

He's a good passer and can penetrate. But he can't shoot from anywhere on the court and can't defend or rebound the PG position.

Pressey has improved his shooting if you actually care. He is a pg, how many rebounds is he suppose to get?

Cant defend? You need to rewatch some games

I do watch games, not all of them but quite a lot. More of them now that Rondo has returned.

Pressey has active hands and tries hard (so he gets nice steals). But he's too small and not strong enough to effectively defend NBA players. Even small guards shoot right over him and he gets bodied very easily on drives and cuts.

Rebounds matter no matter what the position, you just have different expectations. Even for a PG a TRB of 4.3 doesn't cut it.

He's shot under 30% every month but February. In February he's shot 40%, barely adequate. Even that is propped up by a single game of adequate shooting (50% against Milwaukee)

Overall he's at 43% at the rim (awful) and 26% on jump shots (awful)

One important stat you forgot to mention is that we have won the last 4-5 games with him starting

Yes you can shoot over him but that doesnt mean he is not a decent defender. He stays in front on you and gives opposing pg a hard time to settle in.

Basically any short defender cant defend by your definition but thats not really fair. And also how many short pgs can rebound well?

I think he is doing pretty well for a backup pg. Its encouraging to see him not afraid to shoot and getting shots in. He wont likely ever be able to finish around the rim well except if he can develop a floater

[Snakehead]

Right now there are four rookies with a better shooting percentage than KO, six with a higher adjusted FG%, no rookie non-guards with as high an assist percentage or rate, four rookies(including Vitor) with a higher rebounding rate, three rookies with more double-doubles, 10 with a higher blocking rate, and last night he just fell out of the top dozen for 3PT%--as a 7-footer.

On the C's, Humphries, Wallace, Vitor, Rondo and Anthony have a better defensive rating.

I think there are posters here who will call him a bust if he's not the top in his rookie class and the C's best defender within the next 30 days.

TP.  A lot of posters on this forum have out of whack expectations for rookies.  I think so far we have seen some nice play and consistency always comes after the rookie year.  I think there's a lot to be happy about.  He is very skilled, has a high IQ, and has some nice footwork.

I get the sense though that for some if he isn't an All Star he is a failure... which is an expectation I don't understand (and again, I really like him).  I hope we get a legit C who can play defense and then Olynyk can be great off the bench playing both positions for us.

My hope for Olynyk has been something like Divac.  Who only made one All Star game by the way.

[clover]

I think one of Humphries or Bass will be gone at the trade deadline (or in Humphries case after a buyout) and then there will be more playing time for KO and Sully.

KO gets us some easy bucket with his cuts and his passing, he's not going to shoot lights out every game but if he can produce a couple easy buckets a game he will be a valuable player for a team that struggles to score like the C's.

KO actually has a higher TS% than Sully.

[guava_wrench]

Pressey has shown us what he has, and the answer is not much.

He's a good passer and can penetrate. But he can't shoot from anywhere on the court and can't defend or rebound the PG position.

Pressey has improved his shooting if you actually care. He is a pg, how many rebounds is he suppose to get?

Cant defend? You need to rewatch some games

I do watch games, not all of them but quite a lot. More of them now that Rondo has returned.

Pressey has active hands and tries hard (so he gets nice steals). But he's too small and not strong enough to effectively defend NBA players. Even small guards shoot right over him and he gets bodied very easily on drives and cuts.

Rebounds matter no matter what the position, you just have different expectations. Even for a PG a TRB of 4.3 doesn't cut it.

He's shot under 30% every month but February. In February he's shot 40%, barely adequate. Even that is propped up by a single game of adequate shooting (50% against Milwaukee)

Overall he's at 43% at the rim (awful) and 26% on jump shots (awful)

One important stat you forgot to mention is that we have won the last 4-5 games with him starting

Yes you can shoot over him but that doesnt mean he is not a decent defender. He stays in front on you and gives opposing pg a hard time to settle in.

Basically any short defender cant defend by your definition but thats not really fair. And also how many short pgs can rebound well?

I think he is doing pretty well for a backup pg. Its encouraging to see him not afraid to shoot and getting shots in. He wont likely ever be able to finish around the rim well except if he can develop a floater

Pressey needs to improve his shooting drastically to have any role on a team that isn't horrible.

The winning is horribly misleading since the last 5 games Rondo didn't start were against these awesome teams: Mil, Sac, Phi, Wsh & Tor. 4-1 against those teams is quite underwhelming. How about be look at our success in games he started before the last 5.

[Smitty77]

If you want a good JOKE, keep up the the Rookie Ladder on nba.com.  What a stinking JOKE!!!!  Olynyk is NOT in the top 10 even though he has a HIGHER Efficiency Rating than 6 of the top 10 players.

I am SICK of this popularity contest.  Oly should be 5th.

Smitty77

[guava_wrench]

If you want a good JOKE, keep up the the Rookie Ladder on nba.com.  What a stinking JOKE!!!!  Olynyk is NOT in the top 10 even though he has a HIGHER Efficiency Rating than 6 of the top 10 players.

I am SICK of this popularity contest.  Oly should be 5th.

Smitty77

Are your really getting upset due to a single metric?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If KO keeps this kind of offensive play, he's only a solid defensive effort away from being a starting quality F/C in the NBA.

His offense is starting to resemble his Gonzaga days, where he's just making shots and is being comfortable in shooting.

Of course defense needs a TON of work, but I think we're starting to get what we see in him.

Good job.

[CelticG1]

Have to start playing him 30 or more minutes a game to see what he his made of. I hope he surprises me and turns into more than an 8th guy off the bench. Sorry hump, sorry Brandon, but this team has to see if it really wants to invest the time and the money down the road on this guy. Plus, it really helps with the tank!

Pressey, Johnson, and KO need to play big minutes. Bass and Wallace need to be traded or rot on the bench. If this is a rebuild, Stevens needs to develop players and show Ainge and the rest of the league, what these players have in terms of basketball skills.

Young inexperienced players will look a lot better playing with better experienced players.

If those three are playing big minutes together, it may help lose games but it will certainly stunt their growth and probably make them look pretty awful

[erisred]

Was a good game for him.  I wish he could do it more consistently.   He played well against LA too.   Might be a guy who gets up for West Coast games.

Very few rookies are consistent, at least, not consistently good. If Olynyk shows flashes of promise, has good games here and there, looks lost, slow, plays badly now and then then that's what you should expect from a rookie. It gives you reason to think that he might turn into a more consistently good player next year...or the year after. This summer Kelly should be able to work on his shortcomings and come back much better, much more consistent.

[PhoSita]

The unicorn picture is funny, but I think it's illustrative of a factor that I feel is at work with a lot people --

I really can't escape the feeling that Kelly gets a lot more scrutiny and negativity than he deserves in part because of how he looks.  Which is to say he's big and goofy and generally appears to be a seven foot version of somebody who would have been made fun of mercilessly in high school.

[ssspence]

I hope they get Kelly into a really good diet & strength program this summer. The gotta get him as light on his feet as possible.

[Fafnir]

Pressey has shown us what he has, and the answer is not much.

He's a good passer and can penetrate. But he can't shoot from anywhere on the court and can't defend or rebound the PG position.

Pressey has improved his shooting if you actually care. He is a pg, how many rebounds is he suppose to get?

Cant defend? You need to rewatch some games

I do watch games, not all of them but quite a lot. More of them now that Rondo has returned.

Pressey has active hands and tries hard (so he gets nice steals). But he's too small and not strong enough to effectively defend NBA players. Even small guards shoot right over him and he gets bodied very easily on drives and cuts.

Rebounds matter no matter what the position, you just have different expectations. Even for a PG a TRB of 4.3 doesn't cut it.

He's shot under 30% every month but February. In February he's shot 40%, barely adequate. Even that is propped up by a single game of adequate shooting (50% against Milwaukee)

Overall he's at 43% at the rim (awful) and 26% on jump shots (awful)

One important stat you forgot to mention is that we have won the last 4-5 games with him starting

Yes you can shoot over him but that doesnt mean he is not a decent defender. He stays in front on you and gives opposing pg a hard time to settle in.

Basically any short defender cant defend by your definition but thats not really fair. And also how many short pgs can rebound well?

I think he is doing pretty well for a backup pg. Its encouraging to see him not afraid to shoot and getting shots in. He wont likely ever be able to finish around the rim well except if he can develop a floater

He's produced a 90 ORTG as a starter against bad teams.

25.6 MPG 7.8 PTs 2.2 RBs 5.0 ASTs 2.8 TOs

Plenty of small PGs rebound better than what Pressey has managed.

If you're a short PG in the NBA you need to be extremely quick and strong to defend. Even then size will always be a disadvantage. Fair doesn't matter, we're talking about his ability to play. Its not fair that seven footers can destroy Pressey in the post either is it?

[kozlodoev]

I hope they get Kelly into a really good diet & strength program this summer. The gotta get him as light on his feet as possible.

Forgive me if I remain skeptical of anyone's ability to make a guy who isn't packing any extra weight "nimbler".

[clover]

I hope they get Kelly into a really good diet & strength program this summer. The gotta get him as light on his feet as possible.

FWIW, this little tidbit about KO was dropped over on a RealGM thread today:

"It's all about the dedication to the offseason program and who he's working with. Fortunately, he's working with my boy Robby Mac in LA - same guy that trains Durant and Love these days. He'll learn how to step it up and be the best he can be. He was a little soft during last year's presdraft prep. I think he'll step it up this year."

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1303018&p=38617625#p38617625

That would be Rob McClanaghan: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/photos/1309/behind-the-scenes-nba-stars-workout/

[Smitty77]

If you want a good JOKE, keep up the the Rookie Ladder on nba.com.  What a stinking JOKE!!!!  Olynyk is NOT in the top 10 even though he has a HIGHER Efficiency Rating than 6 of the top 10 players.

I am SICK of this popularity contest.  Oly should be 5th.

Smitty77

Are your really getting upset due to a single metric?

No Guava, I get upset when sportswriters who are usually very shallow and swayed by eye-pleasing dunks rate players based on highlights on ESPN rather than by full games.  I do NOT apologize for that!!!  I also get really disgusted by college basketball polls that are simply popularity polls that do NOT take into consideration strength of schedules, etc.!!!  For instance, Duke is #8 in the AP poll and #9 in the USAToday poll, yet they are #3 on the Sagarin computer model (which removes almost ALL bias!!)!!  Also, Syracuse is the overwhelming #1 in BOTH popularity polls, but is #6 on Sagarin.  Just wait until Syracuse comes to Durham to play Duke.  EVERYONE will see what I am talking about.  And, BTW, I am NOT a Blue Devil fan. 

Smitty77