Sullinger: My dad said my body language sucked and my attitude sucked

[Pucaccia]

It goes to show you what a mature young man Sully is and what a great father Satch is.

Sully shows respect by listening to his dad and his dad shows how it is important to be a Father and not trying too hard to be his friend.

This kid is a keeper. His Dad won't allow him to get a big head.

[guava_wrench]

An older article about Satch and the Sullinger family was a good read.  I am happy that Sully is with the C's and I hope he is a keeper for DA.  Easy to root for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=6082301

Minus the domestic violence

We know zero about the situation so I hate that people will immediately judge someone for something like that.  Obviously doesn't look good but we don't know what happened.

Sure we do. Public record. I still like the guy as a player, but I am not going to exaggerate how wonderful he is. He is a baller, and that is enough. As for his character, that is something that we know zero about.

[blink]

I don't think anyone is trying to exaggerate anything.  He comes from a family that seems to care about each other.  He comes off as a pretty grounded person to me if he is still willing to accept advice and counsel from his dad.

If you think the dropped charges against him are a lifetime scarlet letter that excludes him from ever being a worthwhile human, then so be it.  That's your choice.

[kozlodoev]

Excellent. Now it's time for dad to get after those 30 or so spare pounds.

[Snakehead]

If you think the dropped charges against him are a lifetime scarlet letter that excludes him from ever being a worthwhile human, then so be it.  That's your choice.

Agreed man.  I just would love if average joe guy had people criticizing them for the dumb moves they have made when they are young without full knowledge of the goings on.  And no, a police report isn't full knowledge of what went on.

[D.o.s.]

If you think the dropped charges against him are a lifetime scarlet letter that excludes him from ever being a worthwhile human, then so be it.  That's your choice.

Agreed man.  I just would love if average joe guy had people criticizing them for the dumb moves they have made when they are young without full knowledge of the goings on.  And no, a police report isn't full knowledge of what went on.

No one's saying we know exactly what happened... but your logic is startlingly close to the "you weren't there" creationist argument against evolution.

Fun fact: if I had had people shadowing my personal life through the first couple years of my professional existence... I still wouldn't have ended up arrested for DV.

Funny how that works.


Further food for thought: Maybe Sullinger's body language sucked and his attitude sucked because he's a thug? Or do we only say that about black guys with dreads and tattoos?

[Snakehead]

If you think the dropped charges against him are a lifetime scarlet letter that excludes him from ever being a worthwhile human, then so be it.  That's your choice.

Agreed man.  I just would love if average joe guy had people criticizing them for the dumb moves they have made when they are young without full knowledge of the goings on.  And no, a police report isn't full knowledge of what went on.

No one's saying we know exactly what happened... but your logic is startlingly close to the "you weren't there" creationist argument against evolution.

Fun fact: if I had had people shadowing my personal life through the first couple years of my professional existence... I still wouldn't have ended up arrested for DV.

Funny how that works.


Further food for thought: Maybe Sullinger's body language sucked and his attitude sucked because he's a thug? Or do we only say that about black guys with dreads and tattoos?

What does this have to do with evolution?  That's a crazy comparison that has no relevance.

And good for you man.  I've done a lot of dumb stuff when I was young (and yes, broken laws that I could have ended up getting in trouble for if I hadn't been fortunate enough to get off) but I'm not a bad person.  It's just unnecessary to judge people like that in my opinion.

When two people fight, there are sides to both ends of the story.  Who knows what could have angered him.  And heck, maybe he was fully in the wrong.  But we don't know.  And even if he was, people mess up.  I hate the holier than thou attitude.

And I don't even get the thug part so I'll leave that alone.

[Kennefick]

An older article about Satch and the Sullinger family was a good read.  I am happy that Sully is with the C's and I hope he is a keeper for DA.  Easy to root for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=6082301

Minus the domestic violence

TP, god forbid someone cracks a joke on CB

[Snakehead]

Example A:
"We don't know what happened with Sullinger. We don't know the true story. We weren't there, we can't trust the evidence."


Example B:
"We don't know what happened when the earth was created. We don't know the true story. We weren't there, we can't trust the evidence."

One sounds just as know-nothing and willfully dumb as the other.


Are we not allowed to call men who hit women thugs?
Are we not allowed to call a spade a spade? There's a lot of that definitive posturing when it comes to other NBA players and other athletes, but Celtics get a pass? I can't get down with that.

You see things awfully black and white.  Feel free to do so.  I don't and don't really respect that attitude to be honest.  Especially when it comes to human emotions... that doesn't begin to cover the range and complexity so it's a ridiculous analogy to make.

I don't call black people thugs so I can't even begin to get what that means.

[Neurotic Guy]

  My dad told me the same thing. Also, my grandfather hated it when I put my hands in my pockets.

My dad was constantly on me for one thing or another. 

Thus, my moniker.

[Snakehead]

Don't mean to insult you D.O.S.  You are entitled to your opinion.  Nothing to even argue.  I just don't like judging people without full knowledge.

[crimson_stallion]

An older article about Satch and the Sullinger family was a good read.  I am happy that Sully is with the C's and I hope he is a keeper for DA.  Easy to root for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=6082301

Minus the domestic violence

We know zero about the situation so I hate that people will immediately judge someone for something like that.  Obviously doesn't look good but we don't know what happened.

The problem is everybody is biased about the situation.

If that was a report about a less liked person here like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Carmello, etc everybody on this forum would be all over them and holding it against them every chance possible.

But because it's Sully, who is so well liked here, everybody just jumps to his defense.

The guy talks about all of his physical childhood battles with his brother.  He plays a very physical game in the NBA, pushes people around a lot.  He's picking up flagrant fouls at almost Rasheed Wallace rates.  There is actually quite a lot of evidence out there to indicate that he is a quite physically aggressive person by nature - if his girlfriend were to really get in his face about something, it's certainly not difficult to see him reacting in a physical way.

Of course none of us know for sure exactly what happened, but the fact that he was suspended by the Celtics for the incident suggests to me that it was not merely a misunderstanding, and there was definately something (how much we don't know) to the allegations.

I just wish people on this board weren't so biased. 

When Terrence Williams wen to court on firearms charges, everyone labelled him a punk and wanted him gone.  Later news on the story indicates that he did what he did to protect his son, and while that doesn't make it ok, it does make it very understandable.

Then Sully reportedly assaults his gf and the first thing everybody does is start jumping to his defense and trying to come up with excuses.

I'm sorry but physically assaulting a woman is not ok.  I don't care what anybody says about emotional state and all the rest - if you can't deal at the time walk away and lock yourself in another room until you cool down.  No amount of anger is justification for Domestic Violence, so this whole "you don't know what got him in that emotional state" means nothing to me.  I don't care if the girl cheated on him, called him names, insulted his family, stole from him - violence is not the way to respond.

All of the above is (for the record) hypothetical - it's entirely possible that nothing happened and it was all overblown, though I think that's not likely the case here.

[CoachBo]

An older article about Satch and the Sullinger family was a good read.  I am happy that Sully is with the C's and I hope he is a keeper for DA.  Easy to root for.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=6082301

Minus the domestic violence

We know zero about the situation so I hate that people will immediately judge someone for something like that.  Obviously doesn't look good but we don't know what happened.

The problem is everybody is biased about the situation.

If that was a report about a less liked person here like Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Carmello, etc everybody on this forum would be all over them and holding it against them every chance possible.

But because it's Sully, who is so well liked here, everybody just jumps to his defense.

The guy talks about all of his physical childhood battles with his brother.  He plays a very physical game in the NBA, pushes people around a lot.  He's picking up flagrant fouls at almost Rasheed Wallace rates.  There is actually quite a lot of evidence out there to indicate that he is a quite physically aggressive person by nature - if his girlfriend were to really get in his face about something, it's certainly not difficult to see him reacting in a physical way.

Of course none of us know for sure exactly what happened, but the fact that he was suspended by the Celtics for the incident suggests to me that it was not merely a misunderstanding, and there was definately something (how much we don't know) to the allegations.

I just wish people on this board weren't so biased. 

When Terrence Williams wen to court on firearms charges, everyone labelled him a punk and wanted him gone.  Later news on the story indicates that he did what he did to protect his son, and while that doesn't make it ok, it does make it very understandable.

Then Sully reportedly assaults his gf and the first thing everybody does is start jumping to his defense and trying to come up with excuses.

Can't say that thought hasn't crossed my mind a zillion times here.

If you're looking for objectivity about the Celtics, it's the minority here.

[D.o.s.]

Don't mean to insult you D.O.S.  You are entitled to your opinion.  Nothing to even argue.  I just don't like judging people without full knowledge.

No insult taken dude. That probably came across a little more 'earnest' than it was.

[csfansince60s]

But because it's Sully, who is so well liked here, everybody just jumps to his defense......


I just wish people on this board weren't so biased. 

When Terrence Williams wen to court on firearms charges, everyone labelled him a punk and wanted him gone.  Later news on the story indicates that he did what he did to protect his son, and while that doesn't make it ok, it does make it very understandable.

Then Sully reportedly assaults his gf and the first thing everybody does is start jumping to his defense and trying to come up with excuses.

TP...fully agree.

Same thing occurred here when there was a lot of Larry Sanders availability talk.

But.....because he was in a bar fight...everybody labels him a punk and not "worthy" to be a Celtic, but not so Sully.

Let me tell you, back in the day, there was no halo on DJ's head, for a lot of reasons, but he was a Celtic.

Whatever that means...

Give me a player who busts his hump both at working at his craft and during the game and who is loyal to his teammates and his fanbase. That's the guy I want on my team. DJ was a guy you would go to war with and know he'd have your back.

I'm not sure bar fights or any of this other stuff has much to do with it.