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why did Rondo come back?
« on: February 05, 2014, 11:56:02 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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why are we battling to beat Philly in Philly. There is no reason to go all out in these games and risk Rondo re-injuring his knee.

How does winning this year help the Celtics? I challenge anyone that is against tanking to explain how winning this year helps the Celtics in the long run?

Boston has not attracted level 1 free agents so we are compelled to build through the draft and trades. Winning meaningless games will set this franchise back years.

Suck it up and get on the tank train.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2014, 11:57:42 PM »

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uhhh... what?  get on the tank train?

If a player is healthy, he plays.  That's it.

Trust me, I really want to get Embiid or Wiggins or Parker or Exum.  But stop whining about it already.
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Re: why did Rondo come back?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2014, 11:59:22 PM »

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Guys we should make Rondo not play, so we could have a chance at getting a player that could end up a star like Rondo.
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Re: why did Rondo come back?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2014, 12:11:47 AM »

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Quote from: Ogaju on February 05, 2014, 11:56:02 PM
How does winning this year help the Celtics? I challenge anyone that is against tanking to explain how winning this year helps the Celtics in the long run?

Holding Rondo out when he wants to play and is physically able is probably a good way to encourage him to leave when he becomes a free agent.

Brad Stevens holding Rondo in that circumstance makes him look like a puppet with Danny Ainge's hand up his rear and he will never be looked at with the sort of respect that will make players want to play in Boston.
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2014, 12:14:26 AM »

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I think Ogaju's saying that we should've kept Doc.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM »

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Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.
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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM »

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Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM »

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Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2014, 12:29:27 AM »

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I'm not really going to worry until the deadline... only 5 games left.    I think a move is necessary... either to win now or win later.  If we just stay as-is, I'll have a problem with it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2014, 12:32:57 AM »

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Quote from: Jailan34 on February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.

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Upon being asked about the report, Rondo responded with a blunt “Already?” to the question about his contract, but saying he had no response to the report.
Things got more interesting from there in the Q-and-A.

Reporter: Is free agency something that intrigues you?

Rondo: “It is.”

Reporter: Something you’ve thought about?

Rondo: “I haven’t thought about it. I’ve just thought about getting my leg as strong as possible, continue to shake off the rust this year and come back even better next.”

What about free agency intrigues you?

“It’s kind of like, I would say, maybe college recruiting. I’m pretty sure a lot more goes into it in the NBA. A lot more money is spent. I’ve heard stories, guys getting called right at midnight. It’s something that I haven’t experienced. I may want to go through it. I haven’t thought about it at all.”

http://celticshub.com/2014/01/31/rajon-rondo-on-his-potential-free-agency-it-intrigues-me/
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2014, 12:36:10 AM »

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Quote from: Jailan34 on February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.

So when Pierce was still a Celtic and he said he wouldn't mind testing FA because he never done it before, he wasn't still the captain?Ok sure,and I'm quite sure you considered Pierce a good captain.

Quote from Pierce last season:

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"I think I am going to play this one out," he told the Globe's Gary Washburn. "I want to see what it feels like to be a free agent for once in my life. I think I am going to play this one out. A lot can change in two years. My body (may not) be where I want it to be, I could retire, a lot of things could happen. It's not about the money at this point. I love the game. I made as much money as I possibly can. It's about winning a championship and if I feel like it's the right thing to do, maybe so (come back) but I really don't know the specifics on the KG deal or Jason Terry's deal. If i solidify my third year, maybe they opt out, so it's about keeping your options open
http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2012/08/paul_pierce_could_test_free_ag.html
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2014, 12:48:33 AM »

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Quote from: D.o.s. on February 06, 2014, 12:14:26 AM
I think Ogaju's saying that we should've kept Doc.

  That's if we can't get M.L.
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2014, 12:50:32 AM »

Offline Snakehead

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Quote from: sed522002 on February 06, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Jailan34 on February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.

So when Pierce was still a Celtic and he said he wouldn't mind testing FA because he never done it before, he wasn't still the captain?Ok sure.

Thanks for doing that for me.

The oldest leverage technique in the book.  People have short memories I guess?

and props to pokeKingCurtis for the quote too.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2014, 12:52:16 AM »

Offline sed522002

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Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: sed522002 on February 06, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Jailan34 on February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.

So when Pierce was still a Celtic and he said he wouldn't mind testing FA because he never done it before, he wasn't still the captain?Ok sure.

Thanks for doing that for me.

The oldest leverage technique in the book.  People have short memories I guess?

Not short memories...selective ones depending on which player they like/dislike the most.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2014, 12:54:45 AM »

Offline Snakehead

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Quote from: sed522002 on February 06, 2014, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:50:32 AM
Quote from: sed522002 on February 06, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Jailan34 on February 06, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
Quote from: Snakehead on February 06, 2014, 12:20:44 AM
Quote from: droopdog7 on February 06, 2014, 12:14:50 AM
Looks like some people don't understand the nuances of tanking.  You don't sit guys that are healthy and you don't coach to lose or try to lose on purpose.  Just doesn't happen.

The way you tank is from the front office.  You trade guys that might help you win.

All player and coach accounts of tanking say no one wants to do that at all, and I believe them.  Not that morale is sky high on bad teams, but no one is trying to lose on the court.

If it happens it happens from the GM level.  Like you say, trading away talent.

I hope that's what we do, within reason.  I want Rondo out there, owning the team as the new captain, hopefully needing and learning to score more (so he has that option more consistently... I love him as a passer).

So you think Rondo discussing his free agency  which is over a season away and desire to be courted by teams is him owning the team and being a captain? Wow, shows a lot about what you think a good captain is.

So when Pierce was still a Celtic and he said he wouldn't mind testing FA because he never done it before, he wasn't still the captain?Ok sure.

Thanks for doing that for me.

The oldest leverage technique in the book.  People have short memories I guess?

Not short memories...selective ones depending on which player they like/dislike the most.

You're probably right.

I just don't get the negativity on this board sometimes.
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