Omer Asik, Constant Celtics Trade Target, Could Be Back On Court Soon

[BleedGreen1989]

Yeah, I tend to agree with Tim here.

Morey may be super stubborn and just keep Asik but I think there's still pieces there to make a deal. I think Lee's contract was almost a negative in the first rumored deal so it may be easier to get a deal done now.

For Sullinger's sake and his development, I really really want to see him moved to the 4 and play next to a legit defensive 5.

Asik is 27 but is a bit misleading as he has very little miles on those legs.

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Yeah, I tend to agree with Tim here.

Morey may be super stubborn and just keep Asik but I think there's still pieces there to make a deal. I think Lee's contract was almost a negative in the first rumored deal so it may be easier to get a deal done now.

For Sullinger's sake and his development, I really really want to see him moved to the 4 and play next to a legit defensive 5.

Asik is 27 but is a bit misleading as he has very little miles on those legs.

I suspect Morey wasn't the one being super stubborn.   The rumor is that Morey agreed to the deal as reported in December, but that Rockets ownership backed out, thinking they could get a better deal for Asik at the trade deadline.

[PhoSita]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

As for bottoming out, I think this season is the bottoming out time, not the next 2-4 years.  Moving forward, I imagine that there'll be an expectation that Danny Ainge will make moves to gradually put the team in a position to be more and more competitive.

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bass and (_________) is the deal, maybe a late pick
bogans would be nice or wallace if contracts can work

rondo, bradley, sully, green, asik
that is a really good defensive team

[PhoSita]

bass and (_________) is the deal, maybe a late pick
bogans would be nice or wallace if contracts can work

rondo, bradley, sully, green, asik
that is a really good defensive team

I'd be fine with Bass + Bradley + 2015 Clips 1st or Green straight up.  Maybe even throw in the '15 Clips 1st with Green if necessary.

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  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

Why would I feel more confident if we had an iso-guy, when I don't like iso-ball?

*note the 3 7-footers in development there, folks... Danny's coming around!

We need to dump role-player salary, e.g. Bass and Wallace.

[PhoSita]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

Why would I feel more confident if we had an iso-guy, when I don't like iso-ball?

*note the 3 7-footers in development there, folks... Danny's coming around!

We need to dump role-player salary, e.g. Bass and Wallace.

I think for that team to have a ceiling higher than the 2nd round, you'd need to replace Bradley and Green with some higher level wing scorers, but they're a fine enough starting point.

My hope is that we get some more well rounded players in the draft this year.  Replace Bradley with Dante Exum or Green with Aaron Gordon and you could have a pretty interesting and competitive group.

[rondohondo]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

Why would I feel more confident if we had an iso-guy, when I don't like iso-ball?

*note the 3 7-footers in development there, folks... Danny's coming around!

We need to dump role-player salary, e.g. Bass and Wallace.

no one is taking Wallace unless we are sending a 1st rd pick with him , even then I doubt anyone would do it, I wouldn't want to give up a 1st just to move him anyways .

Ranking the easiest to hardest C's contracts to move

1)Bogans, non guaranteed , so basically a 5 mil expiring contract

2) Bass, only 1 more year next year around 6 mil , lots of contenders would be interested .

3) Hump: he is a big 10 mil expiring contract, it will be harder to match salaries coming back without long term money coming back most likely

4) Bradley, could be really good on a team like Houston playing alongside Harden and Dwight . Only problem is he is up for a new contract next year.

5) Green, has 2 more years on his contract after this year(don;t see him opting out and leaving 9 mil on the table after next year) Some contenders would likely have interest .


So the deal would most likely be

Bos sends: Bogans, Bass and a 1st (clippers), maybe a 2nd too

Hous sends: Asik


I dont think it would hurt the tanking either because we would have even less shooting by sending Bass out .



I like the Rondo,Sully ,Asik ,top 5 pick as the true future core . We would have to replace green with a go to scorer (hopefully Parker or Wiggins, but maybe Melo if we can work out a trade . )

if we it on a top 3 pick we are set, but if not

Bos sends: 2014 pick(5-10 range),2016 c's pick, Green,KO,Fav , Johnson(exp) Anthony(expiring)

NYK sends: Anthony

PG: Rondo           /vet min
SG: ?               /
sf: Melo or Parker / Wallace(ugh)
pf: Sully)        / nets/hawks pick
 C: Asik          / Vet min

Obviously we would be looking for a cheap sg and bench help for a year until we can utilize the MLE and more draft pick.

I do like a core like that though

- Have a floor general with Rondo
-you have a go to scorer in Melo or Parker/Wiggins
- Have a beastly rebound , 2nd or 3rd option, high IQ Sully
-Have a defensive anchor with Asik

would have to add a knockdown shooter at SG , and some defenders off the bench .

[BballTim]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

  Give it a year or two, you'd be no worse than 3rd seed in the east. Better if the lotto pick pans out and they sign any FAs or make any trades involving their multitude of draft picks.

[PhoSita]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

  Give it a year or two, you'd be no worse than 3rd seed in the east.

Forget about seeds -- is the aforementioned group good enough to challenge for 55-60 wins?  Probably not, unless the lottery pick from this year is really something special.  I'm hopeful about that, though.

[BleedGreen1989]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

  Give it a year or two, you'd be no worse than 3rd seed in the east.

Forget about seeds -- is the aforementioned group good enough to challenge for 55-60 wins?  Probably not, unless the lottery pick from this year is really something special.  I'm hopeful about that, though.

I think you would need to upgrade Bradley or Green to a more potent scorer but then they could crack the 50-55 win I think.

[cb8883]

Any deal for Asik turns the Celtics into a treadmill team. If you aren't the top seed you should be trying to become one. The only way that is happening is by turning away from these treadmill deals and tanking. If you want to be involved with an Asik deal help facilitate him to a contender so you can get an extra pick or two for your troubles (Sheed deal with Pistons a few years back) just as an example.

[BballTim]

Any deal for Asik turns the Celtics into a treadmill team. If you aren't the top seed you should be trying to become one. The only way that is happening is by turning away from these treadmill deals and tanking. If you want to be involved with an Asik deal help facilitate him to a contender so you can get an extra pick or two for your troubles (Sheed deal with Pistons a few years back) just as an example.

  It's true that the only way you can imagine a team can improve is to tank. Other people have other ideas.

[BballTim]

  I'm pretty sure if Danny was really hot to get Asik he'd be here by now. Not saying Danny won't get him, but it's not like he's calling Houston on the phone every other day either.

Agree with Tim.  Asik doesn't fit on a team trying to bottom out and rebuild over the next 3-5 years.  The only reason Ainge was targeting Asik was because he seemed like an asset we could steal for pennies.

I disagree somewhat -- as long as the team ends up with a top 10 pick, Rondo - lottery pick - Sullinger - Asik is a group that could be competitive within a couple of years, and there'd still be some salary flexibility once Wallace and Green are off the books.

And I don't think Bradley and Green hurt that rotation, either.

Rondo/Bradley/Green/Sully/Asik + lotto pick + Bass + [KO + Fav + C.Iverson]

A .500 team, perhaps.  Could get HCA in the 1st round in the East!

  Give it a year or two, you'd be no worse than 3rd seed in the east.

Forget about seeds -- is the aforementioned group good enough to challenge for 55-60 wins?  Probably not, unless the lottery pick from this year is really something special.  I'm hopeful about that, though.

  We're pretty much average on defense. Asik could easily push us towards being a very good defense, especially considering his rebounding ability. If Rondo and Sully remain healthy, Sully continues to progress on offense and the draft pick is a fairly good offensive player we'd be a decent enough offense. You'd still have a ton of future draft picks if you wanted to upgrade Green and/or AB. All of your key players would be in their 20s and you'd have veteran leadership and time to improve the team.