Rondo to the Jazz idea.

[Moranis]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

maybe, what if they just protected it top 3.  Post trade, Utah probably wins a few more, which puts them likely ahead of a handful of eastern teams and probably keeps them ahead of sacto and the lakers (unless kobe comes back soon and as a beast).  Thus they would have to be a minor upset to land in the top 3.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

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No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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[Moranis]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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Plus Burke has actually looked pretty good for them.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

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No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

  Here's a bballreference comparison of Hayward and Bradley so far this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/XN8P0 . Bradley's actually outscoring Hayward on a per minute basis and he's scoring almost as efficiently as Gordon. Factor in the difference in their defense and it's close to a wash.

  as for Rondo.... shocker right back! The fact that you don't understand why Rondo's likely to be playing better than a rookie having a fairly mediocre season goes a long way towards explaining your stance in the trade threads.

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No interest in one of these useless theoretical debates about whether Utah can scratch out 1-3 more wins with Rondo.... who presumably would NOT be thrilled to end up in Utah... just to feed your obsession. Just because you love Rondo doesn't mean I don't like him because I don't see him making a substantial difference in win total in half-a-season coming off a torn ACL, guy.

This trade doesn't make much sense for Utah unless they protect their pick to a point where it stops making much sense for Boston.

Moving on.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

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Plus Burke has actually looked pretty good for them.

  He's averaged 8/2/5 in his last 7 games on about 25% shooting. I checked out part of a Jazz game a few days ago (because of all the trade for Hayward/Burke posts I was seeing). Those stats are pretty much in line with what I was seeing.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

Next...

  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

  Here's a bballreference comparison of Hayward and Bradley so far this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/XN8P0 . Bradley's actually outscoring Hayward on a per minute basis and he's scoring almost as efficiently as Gordon. Factor in the difference in their defense and it's close to a wash.

  as for Rondo.... shocker right back! The fact that you don't understand why Rondo's likely to be playing better than a rookie having a fairly mediocre season goes a long way towards explaining your stance in the trade threads.

No interest in one of these useless theoretical debates about whether Utah can scratch out 1-3 more wins with the infallible Rondo.... who presumably would NOT be thrilled to end up in Utah.

This trade doesn't make much sense for Utah unless they protect their pick to a point where it stops making much sense for Boston.

Moving on.

  I wouldn't spend much time trying to defend that either.

[cb8883]

Yeah at least try and grab Trey Burke in the deal.  It'd be more likely than Utah including this year's 1st.

If Boston is getting Heyward there is no way they grab Burke in a trade. That's a great package for Rondo though. He's the most overrated player in the NBA today. I would like to find a 3rd team though to dump Heyward for an extra 1st in this draft.

[Eddie20]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

Next...

  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

Tim, just wondering, but how old are you? I find it hard to believe that a grown man would spend so much energy defending another grown man on a message board. If you were a teenager worshiping his hero or a lovestruck female it would be much easier to understand. It's a little creepy, man. 

[D.o.s.]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

Next...

  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

  Here's a bballreference comparison of Hayward and Bradley so far this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/XN8P0 . Bradley's actually outscoring Hayward on a per minute basis and he's scoring almost as efficiently as Gordon. Factor in the difference in their defense and it's close to a wash.

FWIW, Bradley is outscoring Hayward per 36 by less than half a point while taking almost two more shots a game... and they're almost exactly the same for usage rate.

Also, Hayward has the edge in win shares, TS%, Free throw rate, and while his DRtg is two points "lower" than Bradley's, his ORtg is four points higher.

If it's a wash, it's a wash in favor of Hayward, all contracts remaining equal.

Either way, I'd still rather have Alec Burks.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

Next...

  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

  Here's a bballreference comparison of Hayward and Bradley so far this year. http://bkref.com/tiny/XN8P0 . Bradley's actually outscoring Hayward on a per minute basis and he's scoring almost as efficiently as Gordon. Factor in the difference in their defense and it's close to a wash.

FWIW, Bradley is outscoring Hayward per 36 by less than half a point while taking almost two more shots a game... and they're almost exactly the same for usage rate.

Also, Hayward has the edge in win shares, TS%, Free throw rate, and while his DRtg is two points "lower" than Bradley's, his ORtg is four points higher.

If it's a wash, it's a wash in favor of Hayward, all contracts remaining equal.

Either way, I'd still rather have Alec Burks.

  I realize the difference in their scoring rates, TS% and free throw rates. The difference in TS% is small enough that Hayward has a lower ppp than Bradley because he turns the ball over more often. He gets more assists than AB but it's still close to a wash on offense. AB (from synergy sports) allows fewer ppp than Hayward and the eye test IMO says the same thing. Again, whether you like AB or Hayward it's very close to a wash.

[BballTim]

No chance Utah agrees to this before the lottery. It'd have to wait until then.

  They'd probably agree to it, they'd just put protections on the pick.

Which would totally defeat the purpose of getting the pick in the first place.

  Because the Jazz will be more likely than not to improve when they get Rondo and Bradley, and the only shot you'll have of getting value for Rondo is by getting lucky on the lottery. If they protect the pick you lose your slim chance of making out in the trade.

The Jazz aren't improving much, if at all, this year by getting Bradley and Rondo. And the Jazz aren't trading us the 4th pick in the draft in this deal.... ever.

There's really no reason for the Jazz to do this before the deadline at all, especially considering the Cs are highly unlikely to trade a gimpy Rondo right now to begin with. 

Next...

  Bradley for Hayward is something of a wash. The odds of Rondo not significantly passing Burke's level of play this year in the near future are IMO pretty slim.

Avery wishes. As for Rondo.... shocker, Tim!

Tim, just wondering, but how old are you? I find it hard to believe that a grown man would spend so much energy defending another grown man on a message board. If you were a teenager worshiping his hero or a lovestruck female it would be much easier to understand. It's a little creepy, man.

  I've noticed that how personal some of these posts get is directly proportional to how unable the poster is to defend their claims. Case in point...