Logical deadline deal: Hump for Gordon & 1st

[Smokeeye123]

Not sexy... but a trade I think has a good chance of happening, if Charlotte can't settle on a better deal for Gordon's expiring:

CHA gets: Humphries
BOS gets: Gordon, Portland 1st

Charlotte has tried to do this deal before, when Hump was in NJ. They could certainly still use frontcourt depth.

And no, I don't believe the Horcats will give us the Pistons pick in this deal. This is the best the Cs are going to see for Hump, IMO. And no, they won't take Wallace too.

Anyone agree?

Strongly disagree. No way Charlotte does this.

How come? Charlotte clearly in buying mode. They have a lot of young guys on rookie contracts and are not at all depleted of picks.

If half a season of Kris Humphries is worth a 1st rounder...

A 1/3 a season of Jordan Crawford was.

[Fafnir]

If half a season of Kris Humphries is worth a 1st rounder...

A 1/3 a season of Jordan Crawford was.

No it wasn't.

Golden State didn't send the pick the Miami Heat did after the C's took on 4 million dollars in salary for next year. And the pick isn't a sure first rounder its a  protected one that could easily become 2 second round picks.

So the C's had to take on money to get a worse pick than in the OPs proposed trade.

[BleedGreen1989]

Yeah, no chance.

Jeff Green for Gordon/POR 1st maybe. Not saying I'd do it, but much closer in terms of value.

[BballTim]

Not sexy... but a trade I think has a good chance of happening, if Charlotte can't settle on a better deal for Gordon's expiring:

CHA gets: Humphries
BOS gets: Gordon, Portland 1st

Charlotte has tried to do this deal before, when Hump was in NJ. They could certainly still use frontcourt depth.

And no, I don't believe the Horcats will give us the Pistons pick in this deal. This is the best the Cs are going to see for Hump, IMO. And no, they won't take Wallace too.

Anyone agree?

Strongly disagree. No way Charlotte does this.

How come? Charlotte clearly in buying mode. They have a lot of young guys on rookie contracts and are not at all depleted of picks.

There is no way Charlotte gives up a 1st round pick and expiring contract for the expiring contract of Humphries.  Now if Boston added in some more value, then sure that might be possible. Humphries, Green, Bradley for Gordon, Biyombo, Taylor, Session, Portland 1st.  That trade seems more reasonable.  Or maybe you try to get MKG and let them keep the first and Taylor (though I don't think they do that).

  Do they get any Bird rights with Humphries? would they want to sign him going  forward? Do they have cap space this summer? That would be the reason for the trade. Kris is no star but he's a decent rotation player. We'd have killed for a player like him in pretty much every year of the big three era.

[LooseCannon]

Maybe if you set your sights lower and only asked for a second-round pick?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

As bad a MJ is in his drafting history, he won't just throw away a first rounder for Kris Humphries.

Let alone trading an expiring for his own expiring contract and add a first rounder.

[ssspence]

Heck they could get Pau Gasol instead of Humprhies if they wanted to send out a pick.

Probably not.

They'd have to include Sessions to make it work, which doesn't make much sense for them. They'd also be offering a lesser pick than Phoenix (assuming they wouldn't give up the DET pick in such a deal -- but again with Jordan, who knows). And Okefor's deal provides a double whammy of more savings (smaller amount + insurance)... so LAL would see less savings and get a worse pick by dealing with Charlotte. 

I should point out that there some other deals I assume the Cats would pursue before this... Evan Turner, for example. But i think if they don't see a deal they like, this is an idea that will at least be suggested by Ainge (if it hasn't been already).

[ssspence]

Yeah, no chance.

Jeff Green for Gordon/POR 1st maybe. Not saying I'd do it, but much closer in terms of value.

You assume that a team like Charlotte would rather have Green than Humphries. That is by no means a given.

Some teams may... but when you factor contract, I bet if you surveyed GMs on teams currently due to be in the playoffs which guy they'd prefer to trade for with all factors considered, you'd see more pick Humphries that Green.

I still expect Green to be traded before the deadline, but I doubt the Cs can get both an expiring deal and any asset of real value together for him. If they want one, they may have to cave on the other.

[cletus1985]

I think way too many people are writing this trade off like it's impossible because it's a first round pick, but that just isn't true. Charlotte is in win now mode, they have their sights set on the playoffs and giving up a pick in most likely the 24-30th range isn't a whole lot of value. Ben Gordon has pretty much worn out his welcome in Charlotte and isn't giving the team much of anything, Hump is possibly a starter on that team and if not a starter their 1st big off the bench.

I'm confident swapping out Hump for Gordon makes them a better team and gives them a chance to fight for a 5th or 6th seed where they could avoid Miami and Indiana, possibly get
a few wins in the 1st round (maybe even advance to the 2nd round). I think Jordan wants that playoff revenue, playoff experience, and possibly creating a bigger fanbase by being competitive.

Lastly Charlotte isn't exactly a FA destination so resigning Hump is probably easier then getting an equally talented PF to come there via Free Agency. So you have to ask yourself if Hump would be more valuable to them then a guaranteed contract to a first round pick who statistically speaking probably won't be more than a marginal role player and won't be good enough to crack the rotation for a couple years.

I honestly believe Charlotte would try to lowball us at first by trying to send out a 2nd rounder, but would concede to this trade if no one else put up a better offer to get rid of their baggage (Gordon) and could improve their roster right now.

[saltlover]

Not sexy... but a trade I think has a good chance of happening, if Charlotte can't settle on a better deal for Gordon's expiring:

CHA gets: Humphries
BOS gets: Gordon, Portland 1st

Charlotte has tried to do this deal before, when Hump was in NJ. They could certainly still use frontcourt depth.

And no, I don't believe the Horcats will give us the Pistons pick in this deal. This is the best the Cs are going to see for Hump, IMO. And no, they won't take Wallace too.

Anyone agree?

I don't watch the Bobcats enough to know if this makes sense for them.  I do think you're correct about the Bobcats willingness to trade their Portland pick.  I'm just chiming in to say that this would leave the Celtics about $60k under the luxury tax line.  So it would work, although that would pretty much be it for the C's in terms of adding players to the roster (e.g. they would not be able to keep Chris Johnson, which would disappoint some on this board).

[ssspence]

If half a season of Kris Humphries is worth a 1st rounder...

A 1/3 a season of Jordan Crawford was.

No it wasn't.

Golden State didn't send the pick the Miami Heat did after the C's took on 4 million dollars in salary for next year. And the pick isn't a sure first rounder its a  protected one that could easily become 2 second round picks.

So the C's had to take on money to get a worse pick than in the OPs proposed trade.

Sorry to nitpick -- but it's not necessarily a worse pick. If Philly makes the playoffs next season, it's likely a considerably better pick in what folks are now saying could be a less stacked -- but deeper -- draft.

In the East, not crazy to imagine Philly doing so. So if they do, it's a better pick, and if they don't it's a high 2nd and another 2nd, I believe. If the Cs could trade that Philly pick for the Portland pick this year... would they?

But.. true that the Cs took Anthony's option for 2014-15 to make it happen.

[Fafnir]

Heck they could get Pau Gasol instead of Humprhies if they wanted to send out a pick.

Probably not.

They'd have to include Sessions to make it work, which doesn't make much sense for them. They'd also be offering a lesser pick than Phoenix (assuming they wouldn't give up the DET pick in such a deal -- but again with Jordan, who knows). And Okefor's deal provides a double whammy of more savings (smaller amount + insurance)... so LAL would see less savings and get a worse pick by dealing with Charlotte. 

I should point out that there some other deals I assume the Cats would pursue before this... Evan Turner, for example. But i think if they don't see a deal they like, this is an idea that will at least be suggested by Ainge (if it hasn't been already).

Phoenix hasn't been offering a pick so far.

I'd be shocked if Danny went after Evan Turner.

[pearljammer10]

I think way too many people are writing this trade off like it's impossible because it's a first round pick, but that just isn't true. Charlotte is in win now mode, they have their sights set on the playoffs and giving up a pick in most likely the 24-30th range isn't a whole lot of value. Ben Gordon has pretty much worn out his welcome in Charlotte and isn't giving the team much of anything, Hump is possibly a starter on that team and if not a starter their 1st big off the bench.

I'm confident swapping out Hump for Gordon makes them a better team and gives them a chance to fight for a 5th or 6th seed where they could avoid Miami and Indiana, possibly get
a few wins in the 1st round (maybe even advance to the 2nd round). I think Jordan wants that playoff revenue, playoff experience, and possibly creating a bigger fanbase by being competitive.

Lastly Charlotte isn't exactly a FA destination so resigning Hump is probably easier then getting an equally talented PF to come there via Free Agency. So you have to ask yourself if Hump would be more valuable to them then a guaranteed contract to a first round pick who statistically speaking probably won't be more than a marginal role player and won't be good enough to crack the rotation for a couple years.

I honestly believe Charlotte would try to lowball us at first by trying to send out a 2nd rounder, but would concede to this trade if no one else put up a better offer to get rid of their baggage (Gordon) and could improve their roster right now.

They can get better value from Gordons expiring and a first than Humph though thats the point. They could net a player or two that could fit into their longer term plans and help them win now. They arent going to give up that pick for an expiring player who wont turn them into a contender and probably not resign with them.

[slamtheking]

I'd do it in a heartbeat but I doubt Charlotte does it as proposed. 

C's would probably have to include Bogans or Bayless and take back some other unwanted contract from Charlotte that has another year on it.

If Charlotte had plans to resign Hump going forward as first big off the bench or as the starting PF (a more-productive AC Green if you will), that might play into his trade value since he's younger than Gasol and still pretty productive in the minutes he's played this year.  Would be a solid piece for another few years at least.

[Fafnir]

If half a season of Kris Humphries is worth a 1st rounder...

A 1/3 a season of Jordan Crawford was.

No it wasn't.

Golden State didn't send the pick the Miami Heat did after the C's took on 4 million dollars in salary for next year. And the pick isn't a sure first rounder its a  protected one that could easily become 2 second round picks.

So the C's had to take on money to get a worse pick than in the OPs proposed trade.

Sorry to nitpick -- but it's not necessarily a worse pick. If Philly makes the playoffs next season, it's likely a considerably better pick in what folks are now saying could be a less stacked -- but deeper -- draft.

In the East, not crazy to imagine Philly doing so. So if they do, it's a better pick, and if they don't it's a high 2nd and another 2nd, I believe. If the Cs could trade that Philly pick for the Portland pick this year... would they?

But.. true that the Cs took Anthony's option for 2014-15 to make it happen.

Its a worse pick than Charlotte's this year because of its protections.

There is what a 10% to 25% chance Philly makes the playoffs as the 7th or 8th seed next year or something like that. Only then is it even a first round pick.

Its expected value is far lower than Portland's first rounder this year. Its overwhelming likely to be 2nd round picks compared to a near lock first round pick. The only way the POR pick is not going to be conveyed in a .01% scenario where Portland just missed the playoffs in an epic collapse and somehow jumps into the top 3.