trade idea revisited: rondo for westrbook

[BballTim]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

I used to think this as well...

Then I came to my senses. I dont like Russell Westbrook but his talent is undeniable. Is he a dumb (duummmmmmmmbbb) NBA player, absolutely. However to say OKC is better without him is just plain wrong.

We saw how they fell apart in the playoffs without him last year and how important he is to the team.

This year without Westbrook the are 13 and 5 but started out 5 and 5 in his absence. With him they are 23 and 5.

  The playoffs are more the concern than the regular season, although they'll most likely do better without him (if he's out this year) than they did last year when he was abruptly removed from the lineup.

[Endless Paradise]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

[goCeltics]

putting westbrook aside, just wanna make the point that the c's won crap without rondo, got knocked out by the knicks in six, and lucky it went to six

[BballTim]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

[Vox_Populi]

OKC are a better team with Westbrook and I doubt they'd be as good if you replaced him for Rondo. They already have little offensive production in two positions, SG and C.....they need a point guard who can score. That's one reason why the drop off with Jackson hasn't been so bad even though he's not much of a distributor.

If I'm OKC, I say no. Granted, if I'm Boston, I'd say no too.

[Eddie20]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

[BballTim]

OKC are a better team with Westbrook and I doubt they'd be as good if you replaced him for Rondo. They already have little offensive production in two positions, SG and C.....they need a point guard who can score. That's one reason why the drop off with Jackson hasn't been so bad even though he's not much of a distributor.

If I'm OKC, I say no. Granted, if I'm Boston, I'd say no too.

  Jackson scores 3-4 more points a game more than Rondo did last year, that's not really enough of a difference that you can really say they'd be worse off with Rondo's superior point guard skills. Before his injury OKC was often better with Maynor than Westbrook, he's hardly a big scorer.

[BballTim]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

  No, I'll just while away the afternoon listening to your stories about all of Paul's playoff heroics where he's led team after team to the promised land. Since you brought it up, feel free to start with the 2012 playoffs.

[Eddie20]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

  No, I'll just while away the afternoon listening to your stories about all of Paul's playoff heroics where he's led team after team to the promised land. Since you brought it up, feel free to start with the 2012 playoffs.

I do recall Paul pretty much single-handedly keeping the Hornets alive against the Lakers in the 2011 playoffs. You know the same team that had Kobe play off of Rondo and dared him to shoot just 1 year earlier.

If you're going to compare Paul to Rondo then it's an uphill battle for you. if we had Paul instead of Rondo we would have won at least 2 titles.

Didn't Ainge try to trade Rondo for Paul? 

[BballTim]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

  No, I'll just while away the afternoon listening to your stories about all of Paul's playoff heroics where he's led team after team to the promised land. Since you brought it up, feel free to start with the 2012 playoffs.

I do recall Paul pretty much single-handedly keeping the Hornets alive against the Lakers in the 2011 playoffs. You know the same team that had Kobe play off of Rondo and dared him to shoot just 1 year earlier.

If you're going to compare Paul to Rondo then it's an uphill battle for you. if we had Paul instead of Rondo we would have won at least 2 titles.

Didn't Ainge try to trade Rondo for Paul? 

  So you conveniently skip the 2012 playoffs so we can revel in the way Paul's team won a couple of games against a team that got swept in the next round? I can see why you'd be so excited by that.

  And it's fairly unlikely we'd have 2 titles with Paul instead of Rondo, we probably wouldn't have gotten past the Cavs in 2010 with Paul instead of Rondo. Or were you referring to another season?

  Edit: apparently you were since you said we'd have won at least 1 more title. Which one would we have definitely won, and which ones would we have probably won?

[Vox_Populi]

OKC are a better team with Westbrook and I doubt they'd be as good if you replaced him for Rondo. They already have little offensive production in two positions, SG and C.....they need a point guard who can score. That's one reason why the drop off with Jackson hasn't been so bad even though he's not much of a distributor.

If I'm OKC, I say no. Granted, if I'm Boston, I'd say no too.

  Jackson scores 3-4 more points a game more than Rondo did last year, that's not really enough of a difference that you can really say they'd be worse off with Rondo's superior point guard skills. Before his injury OKC was often better with Maynor than Westbrook, he's hardly a big scorer.

I'm not sure why you're comparing Rondo to Jackson. He's obviously a better player and would make OKC better. My point was, teams respect Westbrook, and to a lesser extent, Jackson's ability to score. They don't Rondo's. Durant deals with enough help defense without there being two guys on his team (Perk and Rondo) who the defense will mostly ignore.

[Eddie20]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

  No, I'll just while away the afternoon listening to your stories about all of Paul's playoff heroics where he's led team after team to the promised land. Since you brought it up, feel free to start with the 2012 playoffs.

I do recall Paul pretty much single-handedly keeping the Hornets alive against the Lakers in the 2011 playoffs. You know the same team that had Kobe play off of Rondo and dared him to shoot just 1 year earlier.

If you're going to compare Paul to Rondo then it's an uphill battle for you. if we had Paul instead of Rondo we would have won at least 2 titles.

Didn't Ainge try to trade Rondo for Paul? 

  So you conveniently skip the 2012 playoffs so we can revel in the way Paul's team won a couple of games against a team that got swept in the next round? I can see why you'd be so excited by that.

  And it's fairly unlikely we'd have 2 titles with Paul instead of Rondo, we probably wouldn't have gotten past the Cavs in 2010 with Paul instead of Rondo. Or were you referring to another season?

  Edit: apparently you were since you said we'd have won at least 1 more title. Which one would we have definitely won, and which ones would we have probably won?

We can talk about 2012 if you'd like. The Clippers beat the Grizzlies and then got swept by the Spurs. I love the C's, but that year we wouldn't have beat either of those teams.

We don't get passed the Cavs in 2010 with Paul instead of Rondo? Tim, do you drink and type? James completely checked out in that series. I would venture to say that had more to do with West than Rondo.

[RJ87]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

Last year: .500 team with Rondo playing. After he went down, .500 team + a 1st round playoff round exit. So by your definition, how was the team "better"?

This year: we were 1-9 in our last 10 games prior to Rondo's return. We weren't setting the league on fire before he got back, we won't with him back. Because this isn't a good team.

[BballTim]

OKC are a better team with Westbrook and I doubt they'd be as good if you replaced him for Rondo. They already have little offensive production in two positions, SG and C.....they need a point guard who can score. That's one reason why the drop off with Jackson hasn't been so bad even though he's not much of a distributor.

If I'm OKC, I say no. Granted, if I'm Boston, I'd say no too.

  Jackson scores 3-4 more points a game more than Rondo did last year, that's not really enough of a difference that you can really say they'd be worse off with Rondo's superior point guard skills. Before his injury OKC was often better with Maynor than Westbrook, he's hardly a big scorer.

I'm not sure why you're comparing Rondo to Jackson. He's obviously a better player and would make OKC better. My point was, teams respect Westbrook, and to a lesser extent, Jackson's ability to score. They don't Rondo's. Durant deals with enough help defense without there being two guys on his team (Perk and Rondo) who the defense will mostly ignore.

  Defenses might not respect Rondo's shot but they certainly don't ignore him, quite the opposite.

[BballTim]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

Guess Rondo is a cancer, too, seeing as how last year's Celtics played better without him.  I'll take it one step even further: the only game the Celtics have won since his return happens to be the one game he sat out.

See how stupid that argument is?

  You'd have to wonder about what conclusions all of the people who claimed that our record without Rondo last year "exposed" him as a player would draw when they heard that the Clips have been playing better with Chris Paul out of the lineup. Imagine the pileup when they all did a 180 on the subject and tripped over each other in the rush to defend CP3 from the same inferences they made about Rondo.

Sadly, Rondo is no Paul. I wish he was.

Tim will now respond with a reference about the 2012 playoffs in 3, 2, 1....

  No, I'll just while away the afternoon listening to your stories about all of Paul's playoff heroics where he's led team after team to the promised land. Since you brought it up, feel free to start with the 2012 playoffs.

I do recall Paul pretty much single-handedly keeping the Hornets alive against the Lakers in the 2011 playoffs. You know the same team that had Kobe play off of Rondo and dared him to shoot just 1 year earlier.

If you're going to compare Paul to Rondo then it's an uphill battle for you. if we had Paul instead of Rondo we would have won at least 2 titles.

Didn't Ainge try to trade Rondo for Paul? 

  So you conveniently skip the 2012 playoffs so we can revel in the way Paul's team won a couple of games against a team that got swept in the next round? I can see why you'd be so excited by that.

  And it's fairly unlikely we'd have 2 titles with Paul instead of Rondo, we probably wouldn't have gotten past the Cavs in 2010 with Paul instead of Rondo. Or were you referring to another season?

  Edit: apparently you were since you said we'd have won at least 1 more title. Which one would we have definitely won, and which ones would we have probably won?

We can talk about 2012 if you'd like. The Clippers beat the Grizzlies and then got swept by the Spurs. I love the C's, but that year we wouldn't have beat either of those teams.

We don't get passed the Cavs in 2010 with Paul instead of Rondo? Tim, do you drink and type? James completely checked out in that series. I would venture to say that had more to do with West than Rondo.

  The Celts played the Grizzlies (who won 2 more games than us that year) and beat them by 20. I'll take your assurances that we'd have lost to them with a grain of salt. And James checked out when it became obvious the Celts were going to win the series, not for the whole series. I'd ask if you watched the series but I don't think that would help in your case.