trade idea revisited: rondo for westrbook

[Moranis]

http://nesn.com/2011/11/report-celtics-offered-rajon-rondo-jeff-green-for-russell-westbrook-kendrick-perkins-after-last-seas/

Per this rumor above if true, danny would jump at the offer. Okc is the one reluctant. But now I think its diff. Especially with how durant is playing.

Yeah but at that time Rondo was hurt and Westbrook wasn't.  Maybe things have changed a bit for them now.

Westbrook is coming back next month, so I don't see how it would really matter to them if he's hurt now and missing some midseason games.  As long as he's around for the postseason, they'll be alright.

supposed to come back next month and who knows what he will look like.  It does take time to get back into game shape and even the 8th seed out west could challenge them in the first round especially if Westbrook is still rusty.

[Phil125]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform. 

[CoachBo]

Presti is Danny's pigeon.

But not that much of a pigeon.

[Endless Paradise]

http://nesn.com/2011/11/report-celtics-offered-rajon-rondo-jeff-green-for-russell-westbrook-kendrick-perkins-after-last-seas/

Per this rumor above if true, danny would jump at the offer. Okc is the one reluctant. But now I think its diff. Especially with how durant is playing.

Yeah but at that time Rondo was hurt and Westbrook wasn't.  Maybe things have changed a bit for them now.

Westbrook is coming back next month, so I don't see how it would really matter to them if he's hurt now and missing some midseason games.  As long as he's around for the postseason, they'll be alright.

supposed to come back next month and who knows what he will look like.  It does take time to get back into game shape and even the 8th seed out west could challenge them in the first round especially if Westbrook is still rusty.

So you think they'd be interested in Rondo, who's coming back from a worse injury (ACL tear vs. meniscus tear) and has already been seen struggling?  Not quite following.

[Cman]

The way I see it, the Celtics already has a piece in place at the PG position with Rondo.  It's the other 4 positions that they need to address. 

Why make a lateral to slight upgrade at a position which is already your strongest position at the expense of a 1st rounder when the team is already facing other dire needs?

^^Agreed.
Especially when that first rounder could be at the top of one of the most talented draft classes in recent years.

[Moranis]

http://nesn.com/2011/11/report-celtics-offered-rajon-rondo-jeff-green-for-russell-westbrook-kendrick-perkins-after-last-seas/

Per this rumor above if true, danny would jump at the offer. Okc is the one reluctant. But now I think its diff. Especially with how durant is playing.

Yeah but at that time Rondo was hurt and Westbrook wasn't.  Maybe things have changed a bit for them now.

Westbrook is coming back next month, so I don't see how it would really matter to them if he's hurt now and missing some midseason games.  As long as he's around for the postseason, they'll be alright.

supposed to come back next month and who knows what he will look like.  It does take time to get back into game shape and even the 8th seed out west could challenge them in the first round especially if Westbrook is still rusty.

So you think they'd be interested in Rondo, who's coming back from a worse injury (ACL tear vs. meniscus tear) and has already been seen struggling?  Not quite following.

Rondo has already been playing a few weeks, and will be at at least a month when westbrook takes the court.  Rondo should be good to go before the playoffs, Westbrook may not be ready during the playoffs.

I actually proposed a three team trade on the prior page that I think would actually work out better for OKC (and still land Boston Westbrook and Perkins for Rondo and Green).

[wdleehi]

Westbrook is a cancer.   

Based on.....


 

[BballTim]

I'm holding off on creating Rondo trade ideas until he starts to show a pulse.  With the way he has played so far, you'd be lucky to get a pack of cigarettes for him. 

6.7 points, 5.7 assists,  3.8 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.3 turnovers, 28%/23%/50% shooting...

His EFF of 6 isn't even in the to 60 for PGs.  Right now, Austin Rivers is outperforming him.  We haven't won a single game with Rondo on the court.   

It's still super early... he has a bit of a grace period.  But until he starts playing above d-league level we can forget about trading him.  Right now, You have a better shot of trading Chris Johnson for Westbrook.

  There were plenty of rumors of teams trying to trade for Rondo when he was out with an injury. It's pretty naive to think that the market for him is worse now that he's playing again, or that his play in his first week or two back from a knee injury would deter other teams from wanting him. Luckily Ainge seems to have no interest in trading him unless he gets a star player in return.

[wdleehi]

I'm holding off on creating Rondo trade ideas until he starts to show a pulse.  With the way he has played so far, you'd be lucky to get a pack of cigarettes for him. 

6.7 points, 5.7 assists,  3.8 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.3 turnovers, 28%/23%/50% shooting...

His EFF of 6 isn't even in the to 60 for PGs.  Right now, Austin Rivers is outperforming him.  We haven't won a single game with Rondo on the court.   

It's still super early... he has a bit of a grace period.  But until he starts playing above d-league level we can forget about trading him.  Right now, You have a better shot of trading Chris Johnson for Westbrook.

  There were plenty of rumors of teams trying to trade for Rondo when he was out with an injury. It's pretty naive to think that the market for him is worse now that he's playing again, or that his play in his first week or two back from a knee injury would deter other teams from wanting him. Luckily Ainge seems to have no interest in trading him unless he gets a star player in return.

Yes, you can still get value out of Rondo in a trade right now, but no where near the max a team could get when he is healthy.


But I still think any trade for Rondo will have less value then just keeping Rondo on the floor.  (based on injury, contract remaining, and glut of PGs at the moment)

[Eddie20]

I'm holding off on creating Rondo trade ideas until he starts to show a pulse.  With the way he has played so far, you'd be lucky to get a pack of cigarettes for him. 

6.7 points, 5.7 assists,  3.8 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.3 turnovers, 28%/23%/50% shooting...

His EFF of 6 isn't even in the to 60 for PGs.  Right now, Austin Rivers is outperforming him.  We haven't won a single game with Rondo on the court.   

It's still super early... he has a bit of a grace period.  But until he starts playing above d-league level we can forget about trading him.  Right now, You have a better shot of trading Chris Johnson for Westbrook.

  There were plenty of rumors of teams trying to trade for Rondo when he was out with an injury. It's pretty naive to think that the market for him is worse now that he's playing again, or that his play in his first week or two back from a knee injury would deter other teams from wanting him.

Did you expect him to return and play this poorly? So in all likelihood, another GM would be playing the "wait and see" game until Rondo proves he's somewhat recovered from his injury.

[BballTim]

I'm holding off on creating Rondo trade ideas until he starts to show a pulse.  With the way he has played so far, you'd be lucky to get a pack of cigarettes for him. 

6.7 points, 5.7 assists,  3.8 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.3 turnovers, 28%/23%/50% shooting...

His EFF of 6 isn't even in the to 60 for PGs.  Right now, Austin Rivers is outperforming him.  We haven't won a single game with Rondo on the court.   

It's still super early... he has a bit of a grace period.  But until he starts playing above d-league level we can forget about trading him.  Right now, You have a better shot of trading Chris Johnson for Westbrook.

  There were plenty of rumors of teams trying to trade for Rondo when he was out with an injury. It's pretty naive to think that the market for him is worse now that he's playing again, or that his play in his first week or two back from a knee injury would deter other teams from wanting him.

Did you expect him to return and play this poorly? So in all likelihood, another GM would be playing the "wait and see" game until Rondo proves he's somewhat recovered from his injury.

  I didn't have any expectations about how he'd play immediately after he came back. One would expect GMs view these things with more perspective than many of the posters here and don't subscribe to the "the worst case scenario is just as likely as any other scenario because we don't know for sure it won't happen" rationale that's so pervasive here. Take a breath and  wait for him to get healthier and more confident in his knee (he will, just like pretty much everyone else does). His play will improve.
 

[BballTim]

I'm holding off on creating Rondo trade ideas until he starts to show a pulse.  With the way he has played so far, you'd be lucky to get a pack of cigarettes for him. 

6.7 points, 5.7 assists,  3.8 rebounds, 1 steal, 3.3 turnovers, 28%/23%/50% shooting...

His EFF of 6 isn't even in the to 60 for PGs.  Right now, Austin Rivers is outperforming him.  We haven't won a single game with Rondo on the court.   

It's still super early... he has a bit of a grace period.  But until he starts playing above d-league level we can forget about trading him.  Right now, You have a better shot of trading Chris Johnson for Westbrook.

  There were plenty of rumors of teams trying to trade for Rondo when he was out with an injury. It's pretty naive to think that the market for him is worse now that he's playing again, or that his play in his first week or two back from a knee injury would deter other teams from wanting him. Luckily Ainge seems to have no interest in trading him unless he gets a star player in return.

Yes, you can still get value out of Rondo in a trade right now, but no where near the max a team could get when he is healthy.


But I still think any trade for Rondo will have less value then just keeping Rondo on the floor.  (based on injury, contract remaining, and glut of PGs at the moment)

  I agree with both points. I was just pointing out that it's silly to think that Rondo's play in the first few games back from a major injury would kill his trade value.

[pearljammer10]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

I used to think this as well...

Then I came to my senses. I dont like Russell Westbrook but his talent is undeniable. Is he a dumb (duummmmmmmmbbb) NBA player, absolutely. However to say OKC is better without him is just plain wrong.

We saw how they fell apart in the playoffs without him last year and how important he is to the team.

This year without Westbrook the are 13 and 5 but started out 5 and 5 in his absence. With him they are 23 and 5.

[CoachBo]

http://nesn.com/2011/11/report-celtics-offered-rajon-rondo-jeff-green-for-russell-westbrook-kendrick-perkins-after-last-seas/

Per this rumor above if true, danny would jump at the offer. Okc is the one reluctant. But now I think its diff. Especially with how durant is playing.

Yeah but at that time Rondo was hurt and Westbrook wasn't.  Maybe things have changed a bit for them now.

Westbrook is coming back next month, so I don't see how it would really matter to them if he's hurt now and missing some midseason games.  As long as he's around for the postseason, they'll be alright.

supposed to come back next month and who knows what he will look like.  It does take time to get back into game shape and even the 8th seed out west could challenge them in the first round especially if Westbrook is still rusty.

So you think they'd be interested in Rondo, who's coming back from a worse injury (ACL tear vs. meniscus tear) and has already been seen struggling?  Not quite following.

Rondo has already been playing a few weeks, and will be at at least a month when westbrook takes the court.  Rondo should be good to go before the playoffs, Westbrook may not be ready during the playoffs.

I actually proposed a three team trade on the prior page that I think would actually work out better for OKC (and still land Boston Westbrook and Perkins for Rondo and Green).

If we're going to move Rondo and another asset, I want more than one asset back - and Perkins is no asset.

[Tr1boy]

Westbrook is a cancer.  OKC is playing better without him.  He is high up there on the list of players I never want to see in a Celtics uniform.

I used to think this as well...

Then I came to my senses. I dont like Russell Westbrook but his talent is undeniable. Is he a dumb (duummmmmmmmbbb) NBA player, absolutely. However to say OKC is better without him is just plain wrong.

We saw how they fell apart in the playoffs without him last year and how important he is to the team.

This year without Westbrook the are 13 and 5 but started out 5 and 5 in his absence. With him they are 23 and 5.

Disagree.  Team now has a mature lamb, jackson, plus ibaka is better. Lots of other pieces.

The bottom line for them imo is who will take the crucial or last shots. Usually durant has been taking the backseat unless westbrooks has no other option himself.