Woj believes Jeff will be moved

[BleedGreen1989]

Just wanted to point out, Trevor Ariza is certainly no slouch.

Could argue he's better than Jeff Green this year.

[LooseCannon]

Maybe this means that Ainge would rather dump Green's salary to make sure he can re-sign Bradley rather than let Bradley walk.

[fantankerous]

What about a deal along the lines of:

Jeff Green (and maybe a 2nd rounder) to Washington

in exchange for

Trevor Ariza (expiring deal) and Al Harrington (expiring)/or a (2nd rounder)

After the 39pt outburst, I could imagine Washington being more inclined to bring on Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green as a 3rd banana on that squad, behind John Wall and Bradley Beal, is a position where he could really thrive.

The deal offers the C's some more financial flexibility, with the two expiring deals or with another draft pick.
I see this as a realistic/ win-win type of deal.

What are you-all's thoughts about a deal like this?
This deal works in the trade machine btw.

I think Washington would be a really nice fit for Jeff.  Jeff's weakness is also a bit of a strength in certain situations, such as when there a 2 or 3 stars/scorers who all want the ball.  That's when Jeff's more likely to stealthily score in the 30's.  He's good in the playoffs imo.  Scored over 40 against Miami a ways back (New York?)

I would hope for a bit more in return...

Agree that Green fits in Washington nicely. However I as well would hope for more in return from the Wizards. I would look at Ariza and a Number One from the Wizards.

I think Houston is another possible fit for Green and it makes sense for both parties because we could have Asik come back this way.

I don't see why Washington gives up a first plus Ariza for Green.  Frankly, I doubt that they would trade Ariza straight up for Green.

[mmmmm]

On/Off is too noisy in those limited sample sizes.

Honestly looking at them just makes me think that Monroe is a C, not a PF. He and Drummond are the problem as they play the same position and Josh Smith is getting caught up in that.

Gotta agree with this. Monroe is just not a PF. Problem is he isn't a very good defensive center but he also isn't playing in the best defensive system around either, which doesn't help.

Monroe would be a good get for Green but I want something more from my center than just scoring. I prefer the center to be the defensive anchor of a team and Monroe just can not be that. As was mentioned above, he has a bunch of Al Jefferson in him, he tends to give up as much as he brings to the table.

I also agree with this chain of agreement.

In some ways, this is the same problem Houston has with Dwight & Asik.   Houston tried early in the year to play both at the same time and it just didn't work.

The main difference between Asik and Monroe of course is that Asik is primarily a defensive big while Monroe is primarily an offensive big.

And of course, Monroe's cap hit will be much, much bigger because the league overpays for offense.

Which would you rather have?  A true C that can play D, keeping opponents away from the rim at a 5M cap hit or one that can score at a 15M cap hit?

[nostar]

I'm not sure that a Monroe/Green swap is fair for the Pistons but it really depends on what else they can get for him. Someone made a point earlier about RFAs having lower value in trades but I'm not sure that's true in this case. We'd be trading Green to get a chance to resign Monroe in the off season. So basically this trade would be giving up on Green and that is it. There is no gamble that Monroe will sign a reasonable contract ($8-12M/yr). If Monroe got a better offer he'd just leave and we'd have Green's contract worth of cap space. That would leave us roughly $22M in the off season after expirings. I wouldn't trade a 1st to get Monroe as an RFA but I'd absolutely move Green for a chance to sign Monroe to a reasonable offer sheet or get cap space.

Here is the interesting part though. Moving Green's deal isn't all that beneficial to us. Next season, before resigning Bradley, we'll be at the league minimum in team salary. Moving Green's deal doesn't really help us unless we want to funnel that savings in to paying AB and going after a near-max player in FA. We'll have the maximum amount of cap space allowed going in to the season and even if we sign AB for $25M/4yrs (which is what I think he deserves) then we'll still have about $10M in cap space to play with.

Certainly a lot of things could change between now and then. We might take on salary to get assets (Bogans/Hump deals) and there is a slim chance we pawn off Wallace on someone. I think moving Green to get Monroe would be a deal Ainge couldn't pass up. As long as there are no picks involved it's a steal for the C's.

[csfansince60s]

I like the Bobcats as trade partners for us be it for Green or Bass or Hump or some combination thereof. They need some veteran leadership on that team and invested heavily in the offseason to make the playoffs.

They have multiple fist this year as well as young parts (Biyombo, Jeff Taylor (out for year which is fine with us), Zeller) and ballast in the form of Gordon to make the salaries work.

[PhoSita]

More and more teams are utilizing advanced statistics and analytics to determine the value of players they acquire and would like to acquire.

Related: It makes sense for Ainge to trade Jeff Green while there are still "old school" GMs out there who think he has real value.


I think there's a solid chance, though, that the trade package for Jeff Green will end up underwhelming a lot of Celtics fans.  I could see him packaged with Bass and / or Bogans and shipped off for salary relief, a minor prospect, and a late 1st or 2nd round pick.

[cman88]

well, if you plan to draft high enough to land a Wiggins/Parker theres no reason to keep Jeff Green...not to mention that trading him instantly makes your team worse and a better chance of drafting one of those guys!

Green makes most sense for a team who already has a star or two, or really any team who needs an improvement at SF.

Green is a good player, but he is what he is. a guy who can give you 15-16ppg which is fine for a team who already has a go to guy.

[slamtheking]

Green makes most sense for a team who already has a star or two, or really any team who needs an improvement at SF.

key to any argument for keeping/trading Green IMHO.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Plus, Jeff Green is losing his hair....I'm a little worried.

[BleedGreen1989]

More and more teams are utilizing advanced statistics and analytics to determine the value of players they acquire and would like to acquire.

Related: It makes sense for Ainge to trade Jeff Green while there are still "old school" GMs out there who think he has real value.


I think there's a solid chance, though, that the trade package for Jeff Green will end up underwhelming a lot of Celtics fans.  I could see him packaged with Bass and / or Bogans and shipped off for salary relief, a minor prospect, and a late 1st or 2nd round pick.

I think this has a good chance of happening.

Green is polarizing and I could see some GM's who maybe overvalue him, but could also see a good deal of GM's who look at Green and go "meh".

[Evantime34]

More and more teams are utilizing advanced statistics and analytics to determine the value of players they acquire and would like to acquire.

Related: It makes sense for Ainge to trade Jeff Green while there are still "old school" GMs out there who think he has real value.


I think there's a solid chance, though, that the trade package for Jeff Green will end up underwhelming a lot of Celtics fans.  I could see him packaged with Bass and / or Bogans and shipped off for salary relief, a minor prospect, and a late 1st or 2nd round pick.

I think this has a good chance of happening.

Green is polarizing and I could see some GM's who maybe overvalue him, but could also see a good deal of GM's who look at Green and go "meh".

If they are only offered an underwhelming package I think you see him stay after the trade deadline. Even though he's underperformed I don't think it is a good idea to move him simply for cap space when we probably won't be able to sign anyone who is better than him in free agency.

[jambr380]

I don't see the urge to move him.  Is it because we're stuck with Crash and we don't want to pay them both?

There's a shortage of 2-way SFs in the league.  Jeff's one of them.  I don't really want to move him unless we have another one coming in.

An expiring and yet another late pick has very little appeal to me. Maybe we could swap him for a cheaper version in Wilson Chandler?

Yeah, it's not like I am totally against moving Green. I like him as a player and think he still has a lot to offer on both ends; however, he would probably thrive more in an environment with other stars around him. I don't think this year says a whole lot about him. Some thought he would be a 25+ ppg scorer, but he really just still is a very good player - whether on a bad team or a good team...at least he is leading the team in scoring. I don't see any reason to move him just for salary relief, though. That seems like a bad idea.

I think a deal centered around Monroe and Green makes a lot of sense for both teams. I get that we would have to throw in a first somewhere, but Monroe's value has dropped pretty sharply since the beginning of the year. Heck, I have even begun benching him on my fantasy team. I like his scoring and he is really tough player - even if he isn't the very best defensively.

[tstorey_97]

The issue with trading a player like Green now is it hamstrings Ainge's "big plan."

Ainge has a good group of talent and salary combinations in order to make a "significant deal." Look at the roster. He can make pretty much any combo deal with anyone. Flexibility has been achieved if, after looking at the W/L record, nothing else.

Green is a very important chip in a bigger trade. I suggest his value as above is significantly greater than trading him alone or as the center piece of a deal.

He has upside whether you agree or not, the guy is sellable. His contract is a good size in case Ainge moves for someone for big money.

My baseline? The folks who are hoping for Rondo to stay would be glad to see Green go as it might mean their guy is going to stay.

Rondo plus Green plus a top 5 pick (or any combo) is Ainge's shot to get a star big in the short term. Which one? No idea and we wouldn't know until the Lebron circus is resolved in June. Be advised that a "big move" might be hard to make before Lebron decides as the impact on the FA market will be seismic.

Ainge holds his cards for the summer and Green is a very important one.

[cltc5]

Please get rid of him.  He's worn out his welcome