Woj believes Jeff will be moved

[kozlodoev]

I agree. The Pistons' frontcourt is rather mismatched, Smith is not a SF, Monroe is (probably) not a PF. Granted, Monroe will likely never be a defensive anchor, but I think the situation in Detroit does him a bit of disservice.

[nickagneta]

On/Off is too noisy in those limited sample sizes.

Honestly looking at them just makes me think that Monroe is a C, not a PF. He and Drummond are the problem as they play the same position and Josh Smith is getting caught up in that.

Gotta agree with this. Monroe is just not a PF. Problem is he isn't a very good defensive center but he also isn't playing in the best defensive system around either, which doesn't help.

Monroe would be a good get for Green but I want something more from my center than just scoring. I prefer the center to be the defensive anchor of a team and Monroe just can not be that. As was mentioned above, he has a bunch of Al Jefferson in him, he tends to give up as much as he brings to the table.

[CoachBo]

Agreed.

The way the league is constructed now, I'd prefer a rim protector who can rebound. Defensive center would be my emphasis.

And given the team's slide, I think I'd be reluctant to make a move for that center before I had a feel for how available Embiid is going to be to me.

It is also NOT a lock that Embiid is even going to come out this year.

Lots of variables to consider before Danny locks down his 5 for the future.

[ssspence]

Yeah Monroe is a nice young player, but I don't see him as a fit or priority for the Cs.

If you could get him cheap -- fine. But I seriously doubt it, and I don't care to give up a bunch of assets for him. Keep shopping elsewhere...

[Evantime34]

On/Off is too noisy in those limited sample sizes.

Honestly looking at them just makes me think that Monroe is a C, not a PF. He and Drummond are the problem as they play the same position and Josh Smith is getting caught up in that.

Gotta agree with this. Monroe is just not a PF. Problem is he isn't a very good defensive center but he also isn't playing in the best defensive system around either, which doesn't help.

Monroe would be a good get for Green but I want something more from my center than just scoring. I prefer the center to be the defensive anchor of a team and Monroe just can not be that. As was mentioned above, he has a bunch of Al Jefferson in him, he tends to give up as much as he brings to the table.

He also brings rebounding to the table. I think Monroe could end up being a good defender in the right system but the Pistons currently play a system where no one helps each other or plays help defense. I think Mo Cheeks is a terrible coach playing with a terribly constructed team both of which indicate that there is a chance Monroe could turn it around defensively.

[arctic 3.0]

If we can Get either Monroe or asik for green you just got to do it.
There are plenty of wings who can bring what green brings.
There are few centers who bring Monroe's combo of rebounding and scoring (at 23 he still has room to grow on D)
There are fewer centers who can deliver asiks skill set.
Either way we still need to draft Embiid if he is available.
Go into next season with a big man rotation of Asik/ Monroe,  sully and Embiid.

[SHAQATTACK]

If Asik only scored 10 points and 10 rebounds a game ,  his defensive presence alone would make him more valuable than Green , if Jeff is only going to have 1 in 5 decent games .     So , we are competitive to win when Jeff feels like putting out an All Star effort ., other wise it's a poor showing most games with as poor defense to go along with his none factor offensive game.

I rather have a consistent player who WANTa big minutes and wants to fight in the paint ....... And guard .....not avoid contact and hide on the perimeter .

Jeff doesn't want to be the go to guy .....he doesn't embrace it .......doing all he can do night in and night out.

[slamtheking]

not sure where Green could be headed but I'm all for moving him for someone who can provide consistency in their position. 

Not sold on Monroe being the answer.  Asik is ok but I don't consider him the anchor at center going forward when he can't be on the court at the end of the game because he's atrocious at the FT line

[nickagneta]

On/Off is too noisy in those limited sample sizes.

Honestly looking at them just makes me think that Monroe is a C, not a PF. He and Drummond are the problem as they play the same position and Josh Smith is getting caught up in that.

Gotta agree with this. Monroe is just not a PF. Problem is he isn't a very good defensive center but he also isn't playing in the best defensive system around either, which doesn't help.

Monroe would be a good get for Green but I want something more from my center than just scoring. I prefer the center to be the defensive anchor of a team and Monroe just can not be that. As was mentioned above, he has a bunch of Al Jefferson in him, he tends to give up as much as he brings to the table.

He also brings rebounding to the table. I think Monroe could end up being a good defender in the right system but the Pistons currently play a system where no one helps each other or plays help defense. I think Mo Cheeks is a terrible coach playing with a terribly constructed team both of which indicate that there is a chance Monroe could turn it around defensively.

No arguments with me about Cheeks or his system. Monroe looks poor defensively but the system doesn't help, and I agree with that.

But as much as Monroe has room to grow or might look better in a different system and consistently playing one position, I am not sure Monroe will ever get to the point where he will be considered a good defender.

I say hold off on a trade for Green for a center until the Celtics can see what they can get in the draft. Once this draft is over, I think Danny's path forward will be a lot clearer. If Danny drafts a Parker or Wiggins, trade Green for a center. If Danny drafts Embiid, trade Green with Bass or Wallace for salary relief and look towards the 2015 free agency period to replace Green at SF. Drafting anyone else, then Danny has some much different work to do.

[fanofgreen]

What about a deal along the lines of:

Jeff Green (and maybe a 2nd rounder) to Washington

in exchange for

Trevor Ariza (expiring deal) and Al Harrington (expiring)/or a (2nd rounder)

After the 39pt outburst, I could imagine Washington being more inclined to bring on Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green as a 3rd banana on that squad, behind John Wall and Bradley Beal, is a position where he could really thrive.

The deal offers the C's some more financial flexibility, with the two expiring deals or with another draft pick.
I see this as a realistic/ win-win type of deal.

What are you-all's thoughts about a deal like this?
This deal works in the trade machine btw.

[wiley]

What about a deal along the lines of:

Jeff Green (and maybe a 2nd rounder) to Washington

in exchange for

Trevor Ariza (expiring deal) and Al Harrington (expiring)/or a (2nd rounder)

After the 39pt outburst, I could imagine Washington being more inclined to bring on Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green as a 3rd banana on that squad, behind John Wall and Bradley Beal, is a position where he could really thrive.

The deal offers the C's some more financial flexibility, with the two expiring deals or with another draft pick.
I see this as a realistic/ win-win type of deal.

What are you-all's thoughts about a deal like this?
This deal works in the trade machine btw.

I think Washington would be a really nice fit for Jeff.  Jeff's weakness is also a bit of a strength in certain situations, such as when there a 2 or 3 stars/scorers who all want the ball.  That's when Jeff's more likely to stealthily score in the 30's.  He's good in the playoffs imo.  Scored over 40 against Miami a ways back (New York?)

I would hope for a bit more in return...

[Gari]

What about a deal along the lines of:

Jeff Green (and maybe a 2nd rounder) to Washington

in exchange for

Trevor Ariza (expiring deal) and Al Harrington (expiring)/or a (2nd rounder)

After the 39pt outburst, I could imagine Washington being more inclined to bring on Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green as a 3rd banana on that squad, behind John Wall and Bradley Beal, is a position where he could really thrive.

The deal offers the C's some more financial flexibility, with the two expiring deals or with another draft pick.
I see this as a realistic/ win-win type of deal.

What are you-all's thoughts about a deal like this?
This deal works in the trade machine btw.

I think Washington would be a really nice fit for Jeff.  Jeff's weakness is also a bit of a strength in certain situations, such as when there a 2 or 3 stars/scorers who all want the ball.  That's when Jeff's more likely to stealthily score in the 30's.  He's good in the playoffs imo.  Scored over 40 against Miami a ways back (New York?)

I would hope for a bit more in return...

Yup it's gonna be a great deal for Washington as they are likely to go to the playoffs this year. Last year's playoff Jeff played like a star. I share the thinking the jeff will probably thrive being the third scoring option of their team, where his passive mentality can be shadowed by wall and beal's scoring aggressiveness while being able to contribute when they are off. He can retain his true self,the invisible man, yet being alright there.

Acquiring two expiring contracts can do us a great favor in clearing cap space this year, as hump and bogan's contract also gonna come off the books. Cap space and draft picks are the most important assets for a rebuilding team like the celtics, as it gives ainge his most coveted 'flexibility'to draw better long term plans.

If possible I would like to somehow grab otto porter as well in the trade. He has great upside but doesn't seem to work well with the wizards, probably he'll thrive in Brad's system and replace the void when jeff leaves.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

shocker!

uncle snooze is about to leave the building.

[pearljammer10]

What about a deal along the lines of:

Jeff Green (and maybe a 2nd rounder) to Washington

in exchange for

Trevor Ariza (expiring deal) and Al Harrington (expiring)/or a (2nd rounder)

After the 39pt outburst, I could imagine Washington being more inclined to bring on Jeff Green. I think Jeff Green as a 3rd banana on that squad, behind John Wall and Bradley Beal, is a position where he could really thrive.

The deal offers the C's some more financial flexibility, with the two expiring deals or with another draft pick.
I see this as a realistic/ win-win type of deal.

What are you-all's thoughts about a deal like this?
This deal works in the trade machine btw.

I think Washington would be a really nice fit for Jeff.  Jeff's weakness is also a bit of a strength in certain situations, such as when there a 2 or 3 stars/scorers who all want the ball.  That's when Jeff's more likely to stealthily score in the 30's.  He's good in the playoffs imo.  Scored over 40 against Miami a ways back (New York?)

I would hope for a bit more in return...

Agree that Green fits in Washington nicely. However I as well would hope for more in return from the Wizards. I would look at Ariza and a Number One from the Wizards.

I think Houston is another possible fit for Green and it makes sense for both parties because we could have Asik come back this way.

[snively]

I don't see the urge to move him.  Is it because we're stuck with Crash and we don't want to pay them both?

There's a shortage of 2-way SFs in the league.  Jeff's one of them.  I don't really want to move him unless we have another one coming in.

An expiring and yet another late pick has very little appeal to me. Maybe we could swap him for a cheaper version in Wilson Chandler?