What's the grace period on Rondo?

[BballTim]

I can't pretend to know how long a fair grace period could be but I feel it may be optimistic to think Rondo will continue to improve until December or the middle of next season as some have suggested.  Rondo is a veteran so I don't think a preseason makes all that much difference.  It seems to me the off season will be several months to accumulate more "rust".

I am not as much of a numbers guys but rather go by what I see on the court.  Last game, Rondo moved well.  I thought some of the best indicators were some of the rebounds he got.  Very athletic, like the old Rondo.  I think it is more timing and feel plus learning to play with new teammates (where I guess the off season could help) is where the problem is.

It shouldn't take Rondo 8-12 more months to get his timing back.  I feel like he should be 80%-90% up to speed pretty soon with the last 10% to 20% coming more slowly over time.

  He's going to have good games and bad games. His play is fairly spotty right now. He seems to be moving a little better as time goes by but his lateral movement is poor, he's not explosive at all on his drives and I thought he was favoring his knee on his jump shots in the last game. He's rusty as well but he's not close to full health yet.

[D.o.s.]

I said in another thread last week that I don't expect him to be 100% at all this season and that my grace period is sometime during the 2014-2015 season.

I'm not gonna set a drop dead date but I'd say a third to a halfway through next season mark.

That kind of time frame strikes me as symptomatic of giving up this season for lost, more than any kind of real thought on athletic recovery.

Why's that?  He experienced an ACL injury just about a year ago.  He plays basketball which is a game that takes a ridiculous toll on your lower body, especially from the PG position and just the nature of how he plays the game.

He just started playing meaningful game-speed NBA basketball in the past couple of weeks.  Given what I've seen from athletes over the years in basketball as well as other sports, I don't think 52 weeks is enough time for a full recovery.  Physically and certainly not mentally.  Even when the physical aspect is complete (which it may never be) there are still mental hurdles that take much longer to overcome.  Especially from an ACL injury and you play a sport like basketball which involves cutting and jumping all the time.  I really think 18-24 months is a better timeframe. 18 months would have him back to normal by the start of next season while 24 months would have him near the middle of next season.  Pretty much on point where I said a third to halfway into next season.

So, despite what you think, my thought and time frame is actually is very focused on athletic recovery.

It's not really about what I think, but more about how your original post read. That's all.

I think that he'll be playing at 95% of the level he'll be playing at a year and a half from now around the All Star Break. And I think that people are inclined to give him a wide window because they don't want to consider the fact that he's never going to be the player he was before the injury.

[Galeto]

Once Rondo's quickness returns, he'll be able to finish around the basket as well find more playmaking opportunities. 

I do think he's missing some of Doc's play or the one specifically in which he got a screen from Pierce, drove to the basket and then kicked it out to a shooter from 15 feet.  That play had to be the most elaborate setup for a 15 foot jumper in any playbook anywhere and it netted him at least over a hundred assists.

[BballTim]

I said in another thread last week that I don't expect him to be 100% at all this season and that my grace period is sometime during the 2014-2015 season.

I'm not gonna set a drop dead date but I'd say a third to a halfway through next season mark.

That kind of time frame strikes me as symptomatic of giving up this season for lost, more than any kind of real thought on athletic recovery.

Why's that?  He experienced an ACL injury just about a year ago.  He plays basketball which is a game that takes a ridiculous toll on your lower body, especially from the PG position and just the nature of how he plays the game.

He just started playing meaningful game-speed NBA basketball in the past couple of weeks.  Given what I've seen from athletes over the years in basketball as well as other sports, I don't think 52 weeks is enough time for a full recovery.  Physically and certainly not mentally.  Even when the physical aspect is complete (which it may never be) there are still mental hurdles that take much longer to overcome.  Especially from an ACL injury and you play a sport like basketball which involves cutting and jumping all the time.  I really think 18-24 months is a better timeframe. 18 months would have him back to normal by the start of next season while 24 months would have him near the middle of next season.  Pretty much on point where I said a third to halfway into next season.

So, despite what you think, my thought and time frame is actually is very focused on athletic recovery.

It's not really about what I think, but more about how your original post read. That's all.

I think that he'll be playing at 95% of the level he'll be playing at a year and a half from now around the All Star Break. And I think that people are inclined to give him a wide window because they don't want to consider the fact that he's never going to be the player he was before the injury.

  The all-star break's a little over a year from the original injury, and just over a month from his return to action. Claiming that his play at that point in time means that he'll never be the same player isn't very realistic.

[bloodystar]

Whats the rush ? We have until next year to trade or resign him. Let him bring up his value first.

Give him Feb to work himself in. Lets see how he goes from March 1 on.

[D.o.s.]

I said in another thread last week that I don't expect him to be 100% at all this season and that my grace period is sometime during the 2014-2015 season.

I'm not gonna set a drop dead date but I'd say a third to a halfway through next season mark.

That kind of time frame strikes me as symptomatic of giving up this season for lost, more than any kind of real thought on athletic recovery.

Why's that?  He experienced an ACL injury just about a year ago.  He plays basketball which is a game that takes a ridiculous toll on your lower body, especially from the PG position and just the nature of how he plays the game.

He just started playing meaningful game-speed NBA basketball in the past couple of weeks.  Given what I've seen from athletes over the years in basketball as well as other sports, I don't think 52 weeks is enough time for a full recovery.  Physically and certainly not mentally.  Even when the physical aspect is complete (which it may never be) there are still mental hurdles that take much longer to overcome.  Especially from an ACL injury and you play a sport like basketball which involves cutting and jumping all the time.  I really think 18-24 months is a better timeframe. 18 months would have him back to normal by the start of next season while 24 months would have him near the middle of next season.  Pretty much on point where I said a third to halfway into next season.

So, despite what you think, my thought and time frame is actually is very focused on athletic recovery.

It's not really about what I think, but more about how your original post read. That's all.

I think that he'll be playing at 95% of the level he'll be playing at a year and a half from now around the All Star Break. And I think that people are inclined to give him a wide window because they don't want to consider the fact that he's never going to be the player he was before the injury.

  The all-star break's a little over a year from the original injury, and just over a month from his return to action. Claiming that his play at that point in time means that he'll never be the same player isn't very realistic.

That's not really what I said, though. I don't know what kind of player he'll be, or if he'll reach/exceed/fail to achieve the kind of play that he was capable of before the injury.

My supposition is that the Rondo we get around February is going to be much closer to the Rondo we'll get for the rest of his career than some people would like to think.

[Atzar]

I feel like this thread is a somewhat tactful way of asking how long we should wait before it's okay to roast Rondo like we do our other decent players.   

To answer the question though, I think he gets the rest of the season.  If he still looks bad in the first month or so of next season, then I think he becomes fair game like Bradley and Green and Bass and all of the others.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

To answer your question about when you can start judging Rondo--- well, you clearly already have, so why bother? According to a post of yours in another thread about Rondo not meshing with Green, you said something to the extent of Rondo being crap so far, and his trade value is already plummeting. So you're clearly already judging

I'm not sure what the purpose of this thread is, he pretty much has his mind made up about Rondo based on previous posts. And the condescension in the original post makes me doubt a thoughtful discussion about orthopedic rehabilitation and the process Rondo has to go through before he fully regains form is the intention here.

TP

I read this grace comment in another thread then saw this thread title and correctly supposed it was the same poster


The collective opinion and it's value of every single poster in this forum multiplied by 2 comes to a total of zero which is the same amount of meaning it will have on anything related to Rondo's rehabilitation/evaluation/castration

Danny and Wyc, Stevens and team however have a combined 100% 

The financials that are discussed this Summer and Rondo's willingness to accept Danny's recently stated champ building model will have far far more to do with anything related to Rondo's future.


F.Y.I
Put stuff you wanna repeat in your sig. I hate Doc. He screamed at an apparently sleeping baby Jesus (real pic btw) and Tyson jumped into a time machine and knocked him out...now everybody knows how I feel about Doc.

[D.o.s.]

If we're only allowed to talk about Celtics things that we have direct influence on we better close all the threads that aren't about buying seats or merch right away.

I'm sure LB33 doesn't care, but I don't get down with all the "look who started the threads oh he hates rondo" nonsense. It's a legitimate question, regardless of what kind of ulterior motives you guys assign to CB'ers.

[sed522002]

If we're only allowed to talk about Celtics things that we have direct influence on we better close all the threads that aren't about buying seats or merch right away.

I'm sure LB33 doesn't care, but I don't get down with all the "look who started the threads oh he hates rondo" nonsense. It's a legitimate question, regardless of what kind of ulterior motives you guys assign to CB'ers.

People just calling a spade a spade, while still answering the question. Who really cares? It's a forum on a blog about athletes we don't know personally. Everyone is just giving opinions based off their own "facts" or emotions.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

If we're only allowed to talk about Celtics things that we have direct influence on we better close all the threads that aren't about buying seats or merch right away.

I'm sure LB33 doesn't care, but I don't get down with all the "look who started the threads oh he hates rondo" nonsense. It's a legitimate question, regardless of what kind of ulterior motives you guys assign to CB'ers.

I honestly did see the grace period sentence in another thread...thought it questionable IMO and then clicked out to see a post with the same word and sentence by the same person. I pointed that out. That's somehow offensive?

My Apologies. The rolling eyes smiley should be banned as it seems to really get under folks skin..






 

[D.o.s.]

No, I'm not offended, I think it's just kind of petty. Like, internet forum petty. I already stay up way too late posting on here as it is... I don't need my nerdiness reaffirmed by staying up late drinking in Hateraide with my eyes.

So how long until you're going to hold Rondo's play up to the play of 12-'13?

(also eye rolling face is my favorite smiley.)

[paidthecost2betheboss]

No, I'm not offended, I think it's just kind of petty. Like, internet forum petty. I already stay up way too late posting on here as it is... I don't need my nerdiness reaffirmed by staying up late drinking in Hateraide with my eyes.

So how long until you're going to hold Rondo's play up to the play of 12-'13?

(also eye rolling face is my favorite smiley.)

Hey!!
Hey you!!
Don't you walk away from me!! I'm not done being petty!!!

TBH
I think the Financial negotiations are gonna determine Rondo's timeline if one exists in Danny's mind. I assume he'd like to see progress by then (Summer) but more concerned about re-injury ala Rose. I think Green and Rondo are polar opposites and it's a bomb waiting to explode. (Remember him looking Ray off his spot and Ray being like wt....f???) Rondo liked Perk and K.G. because they didn't hold grudges or could tell him to shove it or both. Thick skin is good around Rondo and Green ...well.

I think the timeline is in our minds. I'd like to see him latch on to a favorite and turn em out via lob or sick pass.

 <<<<<My fave too btw

[paidthecost2betheboss]

Double posted

So...

Remember all the folks ( a lot) saying they would cheer Paul when he returned (out of appreciation and respect) but lustily boo him from then on out (cuz it's the name on the front of the jersey...etc etc). Some said they would boo him from the start. They musta got lost on the way to the Garden yesterday cuz they were chanting Paul's name while Hump was shooting free throws. Imagination,expectation  and reality are not even close sometimes.


**I had to type something cuza the double clutch post

[tarheelsxxiii]

I feel like this thread may be a joke... unless you're comparing him to Adrian Peterson, I don't know how you could possibly expect more. Knee ligament injuries probably ruin careers more than any other... the fact that he's already showing improvement from game to game is encouraging.

Rondo also said in a recent interview he doesn't like change, feels he is already being paid superstar money, and wouldn't mind finishing his career here. How could you go wrong in resigning him? He's worth far more to us, right now, than any one else... and if he does return to his all-star form, he'll be a major asset.