Sam Smith (NBA.com) 'Celtics motivated to trade Jeff Green'

[KGs Knee]

I would be extremely hesitant (personally against) attaching a 1st rounder to Green in order to move him.

I'd do it to get rid of the Wallace contract but that'd be about it.

Wallace is the only contract that should require a 1st to move.  Doubt 1 1st gets you an expiring contract though, maybe a shorter contract.  The only way moving Wallace as a straight dump would even remotely make sense at this point in time is, if it was the difference between signing a star FA or not being able to.  Even then, I don't think there are any FA's available (excepting LeBron) that would be worth it, due to the cost of moving Wallace.  Probably not even Melo.

[fairweatherfan]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

Meh, I'm still on the fence that Houston's GM is the second coming of whatever, as everyone else seems to believe.

You've gotta give Daryl credit for managing to rebuild that team into a contender after losing not one but two franchise-caliber players to injuries without once dipping into the top 10 in the draft.  That's very hard to do.

Three franchise players, if you count Mutombo as well (I assume the two you had in mind were Yao and Tmac).

Yes, I give him some credit for that. I also give him credit for the Harden trade. That was brilliant. But other than that... a lot of trades and moving up and down in the draft. But have the Rockets ever made it past the first round with him as GM?

Agree completely.  And people forget that the Harden trade (and subsequent Howard signing) was only possible because the league scuttled his trade for Pau Gasol, which likely wouldn't have worked out as well. 

Plus, they might well not make it past the first round this year even with an elite inside and perimeter presence.  Morey's reputation is based much more on where his team appears to be headed than what it's actually accomplished.

[Chris]

That's not the same thing as saying it's worthwhile to tie up 9-10 million a year in a player who makes the kind of impact that Jeff does -- unless, perhaps, he's the final piece to a highly competitive team.

This all depends on the situation.  The salary cap is a very complex organism.  And depending on where your team is, and how their cap is structured, he could be an asset, or not.

For the C's right now, he is neither.  He is just there saving space.  For a lot of teams, he would be an asset. 

And the thing about Green is that he is unlikely to really lose much value.  He is never hurt (other than the heart thing that seems to be fixed), and he is about as steady a player (not game to game, but over a season) as you will ever find.  He is exactly what you see.  And that will hold value through the end of his contract.

[Moranis]

I proposed this in another thread, but I really think it might work for both Boston and Phoenix

Green

for

Len, Indiana 1st

Boston gets a young center, another first, and a trade exception of around 5.2 million.  Phoenix upgrades for a non-rotation player and a late first (and they still have other firsts so they can make other moves).

[Chris]

I proposed this in another thread, but I really think it might work for both Boston and Phoenix

Green

for

Len, Indiana 1st

Boston gets a young center, another first, and a trade exception of around 5.2 million.  Phoenix upgrades for a non-rotation player and a late first (and they still have other firsts so they can make other moves).

I think that might be a little too much value for Green.  Although I might be higher on Len than a lot of people.  I think he is still a VERY good prospect, and I htink you could hope to get 1 prospect or pick and salary relief for Green.  Not 2.

[Kuberski33]

Man, people are way too hard on Jeff because he hasn't turned into PP overnight, which is ridiculous.

No, it's because he simply disappear most of the games... we don't expect him to become the next PP we already got Phil Pressy for that.. we simply want him to play the same intensity every single game..

He just can't and that's a function of talent. No NBA team will ever win anything with Green as one of its top 6 players.  He's not at that level. Unfortunately he's paid like he is.

[D.o.s.]

Man, people are way too hard on Jeff because he hasn't turned into PP overnight, which is ridiculous.

No, it's because he simply disappear most of the games... we don't expect him to become the next PP we already got Phil Pressy for that.. we simply want him to play the same intensity every single game..

He just can't and that's a function of talent. No NBA team will ever win anything with Green as one of its top 6 players.  He's not at that level. Unfortunately he's paid like he is.

You could absolutely win a championship with Jeff Green as your starting SF.

[Cman]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

Meh, I'm still on the fence that Houston's GM is the second coming of whatever, as everyone else seems to believe.

You've gotta give Daryl credit for managing to rebuild that team into a contender after losing not one but two franchise-caliber players to injuries without once dipping into the top 10 in the draft.  That's very hard to do.

Three franchise players, if you count Mutombo as well (I assume the two you had in mind were Yao and Tmac).

Yes, I give him some credit for that. I also give him credit for the Harden trade. That was brilliant. But other than that... a lot of trades and moving up and down in the draft. But have the Rockets ever made it past the first round with him as GM?

Agree completely.  And people forget that the Harden trade (and subsequent Howard signing) was only possible because the league scuttled his trade for Pau Gasol, which likely wouldn't have worked out as well. 

Plus, they might well not make it past the first round this year even with an elite inside and perimeter presence.  Morey's reputation is based much more on where his team appears to be headed than what it's actually accomplished.

Yup. Also, while I give him credit for some moves, I also have to penalize him a bit for the fact that he's GM of a team in a no-income tax state. Makes it easier.

Again, not to knock Morey. He's done a good job. I'm only knocking those that think that Morey is the best GM since sliced bread.

[moiso]

I proposed this in another thread, but I really think it might work for both Boston and Phoenix

Green

for

Len, Indiana 1st

Boston gets a young center, another first, and a trade exception of around 5.2 million.  Phoenix upgrades for a non-rotation player and a late first (and they still have other firsts so they can make other moves).

I think that might be a little too much value for Green.  Although I might be higher on Len than a lot of people.  I think he is still a VERY good prospect, and I htink you could hope to get 1 prospect or pick and salary relief for Green.  Not 2.

I agree.  And I think at this stage Phoenix would prefer prospects over a slightly above average established veteran.

[PhoSita]

Man, people are way too hard on Jeff because he hasn't turned into PP overnight, which is ridiculous.

No, it's because he simply disappear most of the games... we don't expect him to become the next PP we already got Phil Pressy for that.. we simply want him to play the same intensity every single game..

He just can't and that's a function of talent. No NBA team will ever win anything with Green as one of its top 6 players.  He's not at that level. Unfortunately he's paid like he is.

You could absolutely win a championship with Jeff Green as your starting SF.

Sure.  Put Green on the Clippers, that team could certainly win a championship.  But they could win one without him, too.

The better question is whether a team that can't win a championship without Green might be able to win one with him.

[Kuberski33]

Man, people are way too hard on Jeff because he hasn't turned into PP overnight, which is ridiculous.

No, it's because he simply disappear most of the games... we don't expect him to become the next PP we already got Phil Pressy for that.. we simply want him to play the same intensity every single game..

He just can't and that's a function of talent. No NBA team will ever win anything with Green as one of its top 6 players.  He's not at that level. Unfortunately he's paid like he is.

You could absolutely win a championship with Jeff Green as your starting SF.

Sure.  Put Green on the Clippers, that team could certainly win a championship.  But they could win one without him, too.

The better question is whether a team that can't win a championship without Green might be able to win one with him.

How many games has this team blown this year because they couldn't score in the 4Q when the other team actually gets after them defensively?  If Green were worth his salary this wouldn't be an issue.  He's the SF and he's looked to to score the ball.  He's not getting it done because he can't.

Nioe complimentary player.  Good 7th or 8th man on a good team.  But not a guy you can depend upon night in night out.  Danny will deal him, it's just a question of when.

[MBunge]

Nioe complimentary player.  Good 7th or 8th man on a good team.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Matt Barnes is a good 7th or 8th man on a good team.  Jeff Green is clearly a starting caliber player in this league, even on a contender.

Mike

[fantankerous]

Nioe complimentary player.  Good 7th or 8th man on a good team.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Matt Barnes is a good 7th or 8th man on a good team.  Jeff Green is clearly a starting caliber player in this league, even on a contender.

Mike

Jeff Green has never been a starter for a contender, so I'm not sure how it is clear.  Jeff Green as a starter for a contender is "clearly" conjecture.

[Chris]

I proposed this in another thread, but I really think it might work for both Boston and Phoenix

Green

for

Len, Indiana 1st

Boston gets a young center, another first, and a trade exception of around 5.2 million.  Phoenix upgrades for a non-rotation player and a late first (and they still have other firsts so they can make other moves).

I think that might be a little too much value for Green.  Although I might be higher on Len than a lot of people.  I think he is still a VERY good prospect, and I htink you could hope to get 1 prospect or pick and salary relief for Green.  Not 2.

I agree.  And I think at this stage Phoenix would prefer prospects over a slightly above average established veteran.

That I am not positive about.  Phoenix has been good this season, and has a chance to make the playoffs.  They also have a ton of draft picks, cap space, and a young potential star in Bledsoe.  Even with Green, they could potentially have close to max money this summer, and a lot of players would like to spend their winters in Phoenix. 

So, I could see them trying to solidify the team now, and then get another piece or two via free agency this summer. 

[manl_lui]

Nioe complimentary player.  Good 7th or 8th man on a good team.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  Matt Barnes is a good 7th or 8th man on a good team.  Jeff Green is clearly a starting caliber player in this league, even on a contender.

Mike

Jeff Green has never been a starter for a contender, so I'm not sure how it is clear.  Jeff Green as a starter for a contender is "clearly" conjecture.

I think Green can be a starter on a contender, just not your go-to guy or even 2nd option. Like his role in OKC, behind Durant, Westbrook and probably Harden. At worst, he is a 6th man off the bench, but he is no way a 7th, 8th man on a good team. He is easily top 5 player on a contender.

Take the Heat, behind Lebron, Wade, and Bosh. I think he's better than Beasley and Chalmers.

On Pacers -> Behind George, a healthy Granger, Hibbert?

our 2008 team - Pierce, KG, Allen, Rondo?