Sam Smith (NBA.com) 'Celtics motivated to trade Jeff Green'

[Lucky17]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

How about Washington? Already dealt away their 2014 1st rounder to get Gortat.

Is Otto Porter and expirings enough return for Green?

[PaulAllen]

How about Green and Bass for Asik, Brewer, White and protected 1st

[Cman]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

Meh, I'm still on the fence that Houston's GM is the second coming of whatever, as everyone else seems to believe.

[PhoSita]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

Meh, I'm still on the fence that Houston's GM is the second coming of whatever, as everyone else seems to believe.

You've gotta give Daryl credit for managing to rebuild that team into a contender after losing not one but two franchise-caliber players to injuries without once dipping into the top 10 in the draft.  That's very hard to do.

[samjones]

I said this in another thread, but I think the appropriate comparison for Jeff Green is Ray Allen, not Paul Pierce. Green can space the floor, hit clutch threes, create his own shot occasionally, and probably plays better D. Ray was more clutch with free throws, and a better option off of a designed play for him. Neither is/was great on the boards. We were happy with Allen's contributions. I think there is too much displeasure with Jeff just because of the comparison to Pierce.

[kozlodoev]

I said this in another thread, but I think the appropriate comparison for Jeff Green is Ray Allen, not Paul Pierce. Green can space the floor, hit clutch threes, create his own shot occasionally, and probably plays better D. Ray was more clutch with free throws, and a better option off of a designed play for him. Neither is/was great on the boards. We were happy with Allen's contributions. I think there is too much displeasure with Jeff just because of the comparison to Pierce.

Yeah, no. You haven't really watched much of Ray Allen when he wasn't a Celtic, have you? (hint: a player fitting your description usually doesn't score 25+ per game for multiple seasons).

[Cman]

Houston is not trading for Green. They have no reason to lock up $9-10mil a season when they have Parsons there.

Want to dump Green? Call a weak GM, not a good one.

Meh, I'm still on the fence that Houston's GM is the second coming of whatever, as everyone else seems to believe.

You've gotta give Daryl credit for managing to rebuild that team into a contender after losing not one but two franchise-caliber players to injuries without once dipping into the top 10 in the draft.  That's very hard to do.

Three franchise players, if you count Mutombo as well (I assume the two you had in mind were Yao and Tmac).

Yes, I give him some credit for that. I also give him credit for the Harden trade. That was brilliant. But other than that... a lot of trades and moving up and down in the draft. But have the Rockets ever made it past the first round with him as GM?

[obnoxiousmime]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4710302/insider-cs-open-to-trading-green

Nick Borges, ESPNBoston.com:

While Green is likely being shopped, the remaining two years on his contract paying $18.36 million could be problematic. Green is having a good season for the Celtics, however he has not lived up to his contract or expectations as a leader. The Celtics will likely need to include one of their many future first round picks for some team to take Green.

Borges doesn't mention what they'd be getting back but I agree if they want a 2015 expiring (as opposed to Green's 2016) they would need to include something else and that naturally means a pick. Since I would rather not lose a pick why don't the Celtics just keep Green around and wait until the offseason?

I wish Carmelo didn't play the same position because otherwise I think they'd jump all over a Humphries+Green for Stoudemire trade. Hard to think of another desperate team out there now willing to take on Green's salary.

If the Asik thing was gonna happen for Green it would have happened already. I still think Bass + a pick has a shot at happening but no way Morey wants Green's contract on his books for 2015-2016. That's when whatever extension Chandler Parsons signs will hit. I think Morey's idea is to go forward with Parsons, Howard, and Harden so he needs to eventually deal Lin and/or Asik for expirings + picks or young players on rookie deals.

[samjones]

I'm not comparing Green's career to Allen's career, just their production/roles while members of the Celtics. Jeff is giving the Celtics, in his twenties, what Ray gave in his thirties. Allen has had the greater career, no doubt.

[Chris]

There is a lot of hyperbole going around about Green's contract, that simply isn't true.  He is not overpaid. 

Green is one of the rare NBA players who is paid exactly what he should be paid.  He is really the definition of an above average NBA player.  He is not a role player, he is a guy who does a little of everything, can play 36 minutes a game, give you 15/5 and solid defense at the 3 or the 4.  The worst case scenario with him is that he is invisible for a while, but then he can take over games at times too.  People seem to not realize that those guys don't exactly grow on trees.  That is why they make 8/9/10 million a year.

While there are some teams, who are looking at cap space in the next two summers that might worry about bringing him on, the majority of teams would love to have a player like Green for $9 million a year.

Now, the C's are looking to move him, because he just doesn't really fit in with what they need right now.  But I don't think there are going to be many teams that will hesitate to take on Green because of his contract. 

[Lucky17]

I can't see having to attach a 1st rounder to Green in order to move him. The contract isn't an albatross by any stretch.

I wonder if Phoenix would be interested. They have some cap room right now, enough to send back a few small expiring contracts to match Green's incoming salary. And I feel like the Suns ought to send one of their many future 1sts in the deal, not the other way around.

[Donoghus]

I would be extremely hesitant (personally against) attaching a 1st rounder to Green in order to move him.

I'd do it to get rid of the Wallace contract but that'd be about it.

[BleedGreen1989]

Attaching a first to Green to "get somebody to take him" is ridiculous.

Scores 16 a game, shoots 38% from 3pt, plays solid wing defense, and can run the floor with an uptempo system or spot up and slash in a half court system.

Like pointed out above, Green is paid exactly what he's worth. He's not on some great bargain, but he's by no means this overpaid bum.

Find somebody else with Green's abilities/stats making significantly less money (not on their rookie contract)...

[PhoSita]

There is a lot of hyperbole going around about Green's contract, that simply isn't true.  He is not overpaid. 

Green is one of the rare NBA players who is paid exactly what he should be paid.  He is really the definition of an above average NBA player.  He is not a role player, he is a guy who does a little of everything, can play 36 minutes a game, give you 15/5 and solid defense at the 3 or the 4.  The worst case scenario with him is that he is invisible for a while, but then he can take over games at times too.  People seem to not realize that those guys don't exactly grow on trees.  That is why they make 8/9/10 million a year.
 

I think the difficulty in discussions about underpaid / overpaid / fairly paid is the distinction between market value and relative value.

I don't doubt that Jeff Green is fairly paid based on the market value for guys with his skillset and physical attributes.

That's not the same thing as saying it's worthwhile to tie up 9-10 million a year in a player who makes the kind of impact that Jeff does -- unless, perhaps, he's the final piece to a highly competitive team.

[Chris]

I would be extremely hesitant (personally against) attaching a 1st rounder to Green in order to move him.

I'd do it to get rid of the Wallace contract but that'd be about it.

I would be VEHEMENTLY against attaching a first to Green to move him.  I would be vehemently against trading Green straight up for an expiring contract even. 

I am not sure in what world a 16 and 5 guy with no attitude issues, and who always plays, is not worth some value at $9 million a year. 

Last year Rudy Gay was averaging 17 and 6 with much worse shooting numbers and making twice as much money than Green...and he brought back a promising young big man and a very productive PG on an expiring contract. 

I think people look at deals where GMs have their backs against the wall to dump salary, and think that is the way it always works in the NBA.  Yes, if you are desperate, then other GMs smell blood and ask for a ransom.  But Danny has no need whatsoever to trade Green.  He has all the leverage in the world, which means he can just wait for someone to pay a decent price for Green.