Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now

[guava_wrench]

6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

Danny doesn't even know what his plans are. We cannot possibly keep Rondo out when he is ready to play. Having Rondo come back soon won't devastate our plans. You don't expect Rondo and right away produce 20, 12 and 10 right? He has a lot of rust to shake off, and not to mention he might be a lot more careful with his knee, so the mentality might change. He won't be getting much rebounds, and with limited minutes, I doubt he will produce even 15 and 10. My numbers for him are around 10 and 6 the first 10-20 games back. And by then, 60 games already has passed. Rondo by himself won't change our team much.

Next year is a different story.

i bet he will. If Rondo can help us win 10 close games, that is the difference between a top 5 pick and having a pick in the 7-11 range.

If Rondo is back, you can't bench him. You can't tell him to go easy. I wouldn't want to see that.

I think some fans want Rondo back, for him to play well, but for us to lose games.  Your sort of playing with fire if you want this to happen, bc we might end up winning

Fans can be out of touch with what actually goes on. With all the hype about 'tanking', many are living in fantasy worlds.

Teams aren't going to sit healthy players who are part of their future plans. Heck, even Humphries is getting minutes over younger guys who are more like to be on our roster next season. We aren't throwing games. It is clear that Ainge will trade talent now for potential value down the road. This is completely different than throwing games.

[Fafnir]

6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

Danny doesn't even know what his plans are. We cannot possibly keep Rondo out when he is ready to play. Having Rondo come back soon won't devastate our plans. You don't expect Rondo and right away produce 20, 12 and 10 right? He has a lot of rust to shake off, and not to mention he might be a lot more careful with his knee, so the mentality might change. He won't be getting much rebounds, and with limited minutes, I doubt he will produce even 15 and 10. My numbers for him are around 10 and 6 the first 10-20 games back. And by then, 60 games already has passed. Rondo by himself won't change our team much.

Next year is a different story.

i bet he will. If Rondo can help us win 10 close games, that is the difference between a top 5 pick and having a pick in the 7-11 range.

If Rondo is back, you can't bench him. You can't tell him to go easy. I wouldn't want to see that.

I think some fans want Rondo back, for him to play well, but for us to lose games.  Your sort of playing with fire if you want this to happen, bc we might end up winning

Rondo has missed half a season already.

LBJ is worth 20-25 wins roughly over an entire year, Rondo is going to be worth much less than that say 10 to 15. So he could be worth 5 - 7.5 wins over the rest of the season. Combine that with Rondo's likely ineffective early goings and minute restrictions I don't see him impacting the W/Ls very much overall this season. Approaching the point where luck and scheduling will have more impact. Especially given we just traded a player who's overall been adequate subing for him.

Too much time missed combined with rust and rehab work needed to his game.

[Fafnir]

6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

Danny doesn't even know what his plans are. We cannot possibly keep Rondo out when he is ready to play. Having Rondo come back soon won't devastate our plans. You don't expect Rondo and right away produce 20, 12 and 10 right? He has a lot of rust to shake off, and not to mention he might be a lot more careful with his knee, so the mentality might change. He won't be getting much rebounds, and with limited minutes, I doubt he will produce even 15 and 10. My numbers for him are around 10 and 6 the first 10-20 games back. And by then, 60 games already has passed. Rondo by himself won't change our team much.

Next year is a different story.

i bet he will. If Rondo can help us win 10 close games, that is the difference between a top 5 pick and having a pick in the 7-11 range.

If Rondo is back, you can't bench him. You can't tell him to go easy. I wouldn't want to see that.

I think some fans want Rondo back, for him to play well, but for us to lose games.  Your sort of playing with fire if you want this to happen, bc we might end up winning

Fans can be out of touch with what actually goes on. With all the hype about 'tanking', many are living in fantasy worlds.

Teams aren't going to sit healthy players who are part of their future plans. Heck, even Humphries is getting minutes over younger guys who are more like to be on our roster next season. We aren't throwing games. It is clear that Ainge will trade talent now for potential value down the road. This is completely different than throwing games.

+1

This is all about rehabilitating Rondo at this point who is either an asset to trade or build around. Purposefully losing isn't in the cards until later in the season.

[D.o.s.]

He's playing tonight with a 20 minute cap on his on-court time.

Just to put this in perspective.

[manl_lui]

6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

Danny doesn't even know what his plans are. We cannot possibly keep Rondo out when he is ready to play. Having Rondo come back soon won't devastate our plans. You don't expect Rondo and right away produce 20, 12 and 10 right? He has a lot of rust to shake off, and not to mention he might be a lot more careful with his knee, so the mentality might change. He won't be getting much rebounds, and with limited minutes, I doubt he will produce even 15 and 10. My numbers for him are around 10 and 6 the first 10-20 games back. And by then, 60 games already has passed. Rondo by himself won't change our team much.

Next year is a different story.

i bet he will. If Rondo can help us win 10 close games, that is the difference between a top 5 pick and having a pick in the 7-11 range.

If Rondo is back, you can't bench him. You can't tell him to go easy. I wouldn't want to see that.

I think some fans want Rondo back, for him to play well, but for us to lose games.  Your sort of playing with fire if you want this to happen, bc we might end up winning

Fans can be out of touch with what actually goes on. With all the hype about 'tanking', many are living in fantasy worlds.

Teams aren't going to sit healthy players who are part of their future plans. Heck, even Humphries is getting minutes over younger guys who are more like to be on our roster next season. We aren't throwing games. It is clear that Ainge will trade talent now for potential value down the road. This is completely different than throwing games.

+1

This is all about rehabilitating Rondo at this point who is either an asset to trade or build around. Purposefully losing isn't in the cards until later in the season.

I agree with this also. Rondo is ready to play and you need to evaluate him. Sitting him the rest of the season is wasting both the team and Rondo's time. Seeing how he plays will make us evaluate if he is going to be part of our future or as trade chip. Obviously I hope Rondo is part of our future as I hate to see long time Celtics go. Like Pierce, I want to see Rondo finish his career with the Celts and want to see Rondo officially carrying the torch from PP.

[LooseCannon]

I think 10-6 is hoping for a little too much scoring from RR playing 20 minutes a game. While he's under his minutes limit I see him averaging 6 pts and 8 assists, he won't look to score much or at all I'd guess, and will focus on passing and trying to get others easy looks.

6 points and 8 assists per 20 minutes translates to 10.8 points and 14.4 assists per 36 minutes.  Rondo's career highs are 13.5 points/36min and 11.4 assists/36 min.

His career averages translated to 20 minutes per game would amount to 6.7 points and 5.1 assists.

[Tr1boy]

He's playing tonight with a 20 minute cap on his on-court time.

Just to put this in perspective.

thats just tonight. After 10 games he will play much more.

He is going to reach peak levels at some pt this year. Remember his injury was more like a tear vs what happened to rose

[LooseCannon]

My ideal scenario:  Keeping ROndo and still landing a Top 5 pick.  I don't know how that is possible, though.

The biggest enemy of the tanking advocates has been the Celtics having relatively good health compared to previous seasons.  The best way to accomplish your scenario is probably a season-ending injury to Sullinger and one perhaps one other key rotation player.

[erisred]

If you accept the premise that Ainge views Rondo as the franchise cornerstone, how is Ainge supposed to assess/evaluate the rest of the roster without Rondo actually playing in games with those other players?

Bingo!

If Rondo is physically and mentally ready to play, he should play. He doesn't have to play 40 minutes a game and he can take games off, but he does need to play.

The team is in "development mode" this year and Danny and Brad need to see how Rondo looks, post injury. They also need to see how he plays with Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk and Green...not to mention Humphries and Bass. Can he develop chemistry with any or all of those guys? Can he be effective with them? Can they be effective with him?

Yeah, we'd like a lottery pick this year. We'd love a top five pick! I'm sure Danny would like to have one too, but I suspect he wants one less than many of us. I think what Danny wants is to get a good look at just how good what we have now can be, and then move on from there.

[guava_wrench]

Chris i think you care about Rondo more than anything. But Rondo is not Michael Jordan. He alone cannot help us get to the promise land. I don't care what he did in the past in  the playoffs, without some more help, no way he can do it.

I'm looking fwd to somehow make Rondo + 2014-2015 draft work. But Danny has to step in.  For Rondo to get his feet wet to prepare for next year imo is a little silly. So either he is coming back in hopes to get traded or the team is looking to win and get into the playoffs. Brad Stevens has not stopped pressing on the gas pedal and will do everything possible to win games. 

But this all equals for us to possibly fail in the 2014 draft and get nowhere in the short term/long term

You talk like there are 2 options:

1) don't play rondo to get better lottery chances
2) play rondo to make playoffs.

That is wrong. There are not the only 2 options, so stop insisting on this false dichotomy every time someone responds to you.

Danny needs to maximize assets for the future and he needs to field a roster for this season. Out best current asset is Rondo, so he needs to maximize that asset. Ainge would be an idiot if he purged all assets for the number 1 pick, because no single player gets you a championship and the expected return would be very low for such a move.

GMs can't think as black and white as what you are putting forth. They need to consider expected return. As people point out, having the worst record doesn't guarantee the top pick, but it greatly increases the chances of a top pick. Rondo also has great value as an all star player and he is already on our roster. Danny is trying to maximize his expected return for a few years down the road. This means developing players on the roster (thus no PT for Bogans) and accumulating future assets.

If a GM chooses to use a singular approach to maximizing assets -- only going for the top pick, the expected return will be less -- like how the area of a 9 x 1 rectangle is less than the area of a 5 x 5 square, even though 9+1 = 5+5. Having a fire sale and disenfranchising players with actual value (unlike Bogans) would be stupid moves unless you have culture problems on the team that forces you to ship guys out. Desperation also doesn't help you get value.

It is also pointless to say "Rondo won't get us to the promised land". It takes a team to get you there. Pierce couldn't get us there. KG couldn't get Minny there. No one player gets anyone there. It take multiple parts to get there. Remember Lebron in Cleveland? Rondo is one of the more valuable parts in the league. To waste that because he's not Jordan is asinine. Durant isn't Jordan, but he is pretty valuable. Unless you are saying we shouldn't pursue any players except Jordan, skip the Jordan references. Comparing players with Jordan is an exercise for the media, not for people managing teams.

[guava_wrench]

My ideal scenario:  Keeping ROndo and still landing a Top 5 pick.  I don't know how that is possible, though.

The biggest enemy of the tanking advocates has been the Celtics having relatively good health compared to previous seasons.  The best way to accomplish your scenario is probably a season-ending injury to Sullinger and one perhaps one other key rotation player.

Or just get lucky in the lottery.

[Yenohb]

Chris i think you care about Rondo more than anything. But Rondo is not Michael Jordan. He alone cannot help us get to the promise land. I don't care what he did in the past in  the playoffs, without some more help, no way he can do it.

I'm looking fwd to somehow make Rondo + 2014-2015 draft work. But Danny has to step in.  For Rondo to get his feet wet to prepare for next year imo is a little silly. So either he is coming back in hopes to get traded or the team is looking to win and get into the playoffs. Brad Stevens has not stopped pressing on the gas pedal and will do everything possible to win games. 

But this all equals for us to possibly fail in the 2014 draft and get nowhere in the short term/long term

You talk like there are 2 options:

1) don't play rondo to get better lottery chances
2) play rondo to make playoffs.

That is wrong. There are not the only 2 options, so stop insisting on this false dichotomy every time someone responds to you.

Danny needs to maximize assets for the future and he needs to field a roster for this season. Out best current asset is Rondo, so he needs to maximize that asset. Ainge would be an idiot if he purged all assets for the number 1 pick, because no single player gets you a championship and the expected return would be very low for such a move.

GMs can't think as black and white as what you are putting forth. They need to consider expected return. As people point out, having the worst record doesn't guarantee the top pick, but it greatly increases the chances of a top pick. Rondo also has great value as an all star player and he is already on our roster. Danny is trying to maximize his expected return for a few years down the road. This means developing players on the roster (thus no PT for Bogans) and accumulating future assets.

If a GM chooses to use a singular approach to maximizing assets -- only going for the top pick, the expected return will be less -- like how the area of a 9 x 1 rectangle is less than the area of a 5 x 5 square, even though 9+1 = 5+5. Having a fire sale and disenfranchising players with actual value (unlike Bogans) would be stupid moves unless you have culture problems on the team that forces you to ship guys out. Desperation also doesn't help you get value.

It is also pointless to say "Rondo won't get us to the promised land". It takes a team to get you there. Pierce couldn't get us there. KG couldn't get Minny there. No one player gets anyone there. It take multiple parts to get there. Remember Lebron in Cleveland? Rondo is one of the more valuable parts in the league. To waste that because he's not Jordan is asinine. Durant isn't Jordan, but he is pretty valuable. Unless you are saying we shouldn't pursue any players except Jordan, skip the Jordan references. Comparing players with Jordan is an exercise for the media, not for people managing teams.

TP.

[Tr1boy]

Chris i think you care about Rondo more than anything. But Rondo is not Michael Jordan. He alone cannot help us get to the promise land. I don't care what he did in the past in  the playoffs, without some more help, no way he can do it.

I'm looking fwd to somehow make Rondo + 2014-2015 draft work. But Danny has to step in.  For Rondo to get his feet wet to prepare for next year imo is a little silly. So either he is coming back in hopes to get traded or the team is looking to win and get into the playoffs. Brad Stevens has not stopped pressing on the gas pedal and will do everything possible to win games. 

But this all equals for us to possibly fail in the 2014 draft and get nowhere in the short term/long term

You talk like there are 2 options:

1) don't play rondo to get better lottery chances
2) play rondo to make playoffs.

That is wrong. There are not the only 2 options, so stop insisting on this false dichotomy every time someone responds to you.

Danny needs to maximize assets for the future and he needs to field a roster for this season. Out best current asset is Rondo, so he needs to maximize that asset. Ainge would be an idiot if he purged all assets for the number 1 pick, because no single player gets you a championship and the expected return would be very low for such a move.

GMs can't think as black and white as what you are putting forth. They need to consider expected return. As people point out, having the worst record doesn't guarantee the top pick, but it greatly increases the chances of a top pick. Rondo also has great value as an all star player and he is already on our roster. Danny is trying to maximize his expected return for a few years down the road. This means developing players on the roster (thus no PT for Bogans) and accumulating future assets.

If a GM chooses to use a singular approach to maximizing assets -- only going for the top pick, the expected return will be less -- like how the area of a 9 x 1 rectangle is less than the area of a 5 x 5 square, even though 9+1 = 5+5. Having a fire sale and disenfranchising players with actual value (unlike Bogans) would be stupid moves unless you have culture problems on the team that forces you to ship guys out. Desperation also doesn't help you get value.

It is also pointless to say "Rondo won't get us to the promised land". It takes a team to get you there. Pierce couldn't get us there. KG couldn't get Minny there. No one player gets anyone there. It take multiple parts to get there. Remember Lebron in Cleveland? Rondo is one of the more valuable parts in the league. To waste that because he's not Jordan is asinine. Durant isn't Jordan, but he is pretty valuable. Unless you are saying we shouldn't pursue any players except Jordan, skip the Jordan references. Comparing players with Jordan is an exercise for the media, not for people managing teams.

I don't get it. What else do you need to assess?? you don't need Rondo to do that.

Without Rondo the picture is alot more clearer in terms of what these players bring to the table.  It is also not rocket science with the current team and Rondo we are not going to win a championship.

I do agree on one pt of my black and white scenerios. I'm hoping actually Rondo is back, some type of fire is stirred up, see what you can get back etc. but then if nothing is there, just to sit him out for the rest of the year. 

I just don't understand what it is you want out of Rondo coming back. You want him to play well but for the team to lose? you want him to play well and the team to play well and get into the playoffs (though we won't get nowhere).

You are giving me the process part, but the plan to win another ring is not explained

[RJ87]

Chris i think you care about Rondo more than anything. But Rondo is not Michael Jordan. He alone cannot help us get to the promise land. I don't care what he did in the past in  the playoffs, without some more help, no way he can do it.

I'm looking fwd to somehow make Rondo + 2014-2015 draft work. But Danny has to step in.  For Rondo to get his feet wet to prepare for next year imo is a little silly. So either he is coming back in hopes to get traded or the team is looking to win and get into the playoffs. Brad Stevens has not stopped pressing on the gas pedal and will do everything possible to win games. 

But this all equals for us to possibly fail in the 2014 draft and get nowhere in the short term/long term

You talk like there are 2 options:

1) don't play rondo to get better lottery chances
2) play rondo to make playoffs.

That is wrong. There are not the only 2 options, so stop insisting on this false dichotomy every time someone responds to you.

Danny needs to maximize assets for the future and he needs to field a roster for this season. Out best current asset is Rondo, so he needs to maximize that asset. Ainge would be an idiot if he purged all assets for the number 1 pick, because no single player gets you a championship and the expected return would be very low for such a move.

GMs can't think as black and white as what you are putting forth. They need to consider expected return. As people point out, having the worst record doesn't guarantee the top pick, but it greatly increases the chances of a top pick. Rondo also has great value as an all star player and he is already on our roster. Danny is trying to maximize his expected return for a few years down the road. This means developing players on the roster (thus no PT for Bogans) and accumulating future assets.

If a GM chooses to use a singular approach to maximizing assets -- only going for the top pick, the expected return will be less -- like how the area of a 9 x 1 rectangle is less than the area of a 5 x 5 square, even though 9+1 = 5+5. Having a fire sale and disenfranchising players with actual value (unlike Bogans) would be stupid moves unless you have culture problems on the team that forces you to ship guys out. Desperation also doesn't help you get value.

It is also pointless to say "Rondo won't get us to the promised land". It takes a team to get you there. Pierce couldn't get us there. KG couldn't get Minny there. No one player gets anyone there. It take multiple parts to get there. Remember Lebron in Cleveland? Rondo is one of the more valuable parts in the league. To waste that because he's not Jordan is asinine. Durant isn't Jordan, but he is pretty valuable. Unless you are saying we shouldn't pursue any players except Jordan, skip the Jordan references. Comparing players with Jordan is an exercise for the media, not for people managing teams.

TP.

[D.o.s.]

He's playing tonight with a 20 minute cap on his on-court time.

Just to put this in perspective.

thats just tonight. After 10 games he will play much more.

He is going to reach peak levels at some pt this year. Remember his injury was more like a tear vs what happened to rose

No, I know, but it'll take him a while to round into form.

I don't think we'll see RONDO until right around or after the All-Star Break.