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Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now
« on: January 17, 2014, 10:57:42 AM »

Offline Tr1boy

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The trading of Lee, Jcraw, Brooks signals the team is ready to free themselves from contract obligations and arm with picks to build the team. Same deal with trading Humphries, Bass, and perhaps Green. But you are going against the Current with bringing back Rondo, who makes your team better.
So what is exactly Danny trying to do? Only possibilities i can think of is

1) Bring back Rondo, become a better team, boost the play of Green, Humphries, Bass before the trade deadline, trade them and sit out Rondo for the rest of the year (due to *cough* aggravation)

2) Bring back Rondo, hope he plays like Rondo of the past and trade him to the highest bidder before the trade deadline.

3) Bring back Rondo, but his game is off, shut him down for the rest of the year and still go ahead with trading everyone else (for possible lesser value)

4) *wildcard scenerio*, and with the way Danny is preparing to rebuild, perhaps not the way he is planning to move fwd. Rondo comesback and the team is on fire. Sullinger, Olynyk, Bradleys game boosts up considerably also. Then in the trade deadline, he packages one or two of our promising young players, gives up 2 1st round pick for a Kevin Love, gives up a future 1st and another player for Asik.  Some hinting , we should also go after Anthony. The bottom line is, the Celts are armed with so many picks and we do a 2 promising young players in Sullinger and AB, that getting all of these three players (Love, Asik, Anthoney even) is not out of this world

5) Rondo is brought back, we play into being a mediocre team (even make 8th place), lose early, and get a post lottery pick.  Then go into next year with alot of questions, alot more losing etc.  (worse case scenerio)

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Imo, i just don't know why Danny at this point just shuts down Rondo for the rest of the year especially if he wants to build around him yet also pair him with a high draft pick this summer. Not sure if this would be a league violation or something. Don't think having him back will really boost the trade value of Hump,Green, Bass any further.

Worse case Ainge can't let situation #5 happen. 

Re: Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2014, 11:02:09 AM »

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6. He's ready to play.
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Re: Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2014, 11:03:52 AM »

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6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2014, 11:04:29 AM »

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Moves are happening now because other teams are willing to make deals now to shore up their rotations. Plus I think Danny is scared that Crawford's value would decline if he's no longer starting.

Rondo is coming back because he's healthy and ready to take that step.

I don't see why the two trades and Rondo are connected in some grand master plan beyond the basic facts.

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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2014, 11:06:03 AM »

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6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.
What plan?

Why are they playing Sullinger then? Why not just call in 5 d-leaguers and lose every game then? Why not sit Sullinger while his wrist hurt?

The plan for the season has been, trade for future assets and salary relief, develop our young players, and get Rondo back on the floor.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2014, 11:07:11 AM »

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6. He's ready to play.

and??  Definitely you shouldn't sit out a player that is ready to play and needed. But again like i said, having Rondo back sort of backfires into Danny's plan.

You can't keep out a player who has been cleared to play and feels ready to play.  I don't see how you do that without exposing yourself to blatant cheating. 
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Re: Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2014, 11:07:15 AM »

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Moves are happening now because other teams are willing to make deals now to shore up their rotations. Plus I think Danny is scared that Crawford's value would decline if he's no longer starting.

Rondo is coming back because he's healthy and ready to take that step.

I don't see why the two trades and Rondo are connected in some grand master plan beyond the basic facts.

This.

The trades have nothing to do with it. Rondo is ready to play, therefor he is going to play.
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Re: Just doesn't add up that Rondo is coming back now
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2014, 11:08:47 AM »

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Moves are happening now because other teams are willing to make deals now to shore up their rotations. Plus I think Danny is scared that Crawford's value would decline if he's no longer starting.

Rondo is coming back because he's healthy and ready to take that step.

I don't see why the two trades and Rondo are connected in some grand master plan beyond the basic facts.

i don't think your getting what i'm saying and you also strengthened my point.

Why does it matter if JCraws value diminishes once Rondo comesback. What is the point of Rondo coming back?

To make our team better yes? Many feel having Jcraw as a backup instead of Pressey or JB would be better. In some ways i agree to this. But then you trade him? You also trade Lee who is a decent backup SG. Right now we don't have a SG with avg size in the lineup

So again, you are trading away talent for mainly plan for the future, like team is not going to be as good, but you are bringing Rondo back to want to make the team better (lessening chances to draft a high pick). So which way is it?

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2014, 11:12:34 AM »

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You don't think that we need to play Rondo and get him back into full basketball shape and discover if he can be the player he was pre-injury? That's the point of Rondo coming back.

Danny can't move forward with the C's till he has an idea of Rondo's future ability to play basketball. Furthermore until he demonstrates that ability to the league he's unlikely to be able to trade him or bring in big pieces to play with Rondo.

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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2014, 11:12:46 AM »

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I said a ways back "if he comes back a few weeks before the trade deadline then he's probably being showcased".

I still believe that. in fact I think he's actively being shopped with high interest from other teams. the only thing from preventing the interested teams from pulling the trigger is they'd like to know what they're investing in. hence the reason rondo is coming back now, before the trade deadline.

I do not want rondo traded because we'll never get fair value for him and i'll admit what i would consider fair value probably isn't realistic either. but I also think it's a bit more realistic than what we'd actually get.

rondo's got intangibles you can't teach, practice or invoke magic spells to acquire.


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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2014, 11:15:16 AM »

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I'm still amazed that people don't think that Rondo needs to come back at all this year. Rondo has to show what sort of impact he can have without KG/Pierce on a non-veteran team and also play his way back to his game coming off a catastrophic injury.

The team can't move forward without doing that either way (trade or keep).

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2014, 11:19:44 AM »

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I said a ways back "if he comes back a few weeks before the trade deadline then he's probably being showcased".

I still believe that. in fact I think he's actively being shopped with high interest from other teams. the only thing from preventing the interested teams from pulling the trigger is they'd like to know what they're investing in. hence the reason rondo is coming back now, before the trade deadline.

I do not want rondo traded because we'll never get fair value for him and i'll admit what i would consider fair value probably isn't realistic either. but I also think it's a bit more realistic than what we'd actually get.

rondo's got intangibles you can't teach, practice or invoke magic spells to acquire.

You know for me, Danny has kept saying since Rondo was injured last year, that he is going nowhere. Brad Stevens visiting him right after he got hired, indicates Rondo is not going nowhere. 

If you see around the league, unless a three way trade can be orchastrated, no team that needs him will likely give back what Rondo is actually worth like you mentioned. For example Drummond or Cousins.

This is why for me its weird he is coming back, right before the trade deadline. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2014, 11:23:42 AM »

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with about a month to the trade deadline, it makes perfect sense for him to come back now.  it's called showcasing.....
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2014, 11:24:35 AM »

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You don't think that we need to play Rondo and get him back into full basketball shape and discover if he can be the player he was pre-injury? That's the point of Rondo coming back.

Danny can't move forward with the C's till he has an idea of Rondo's future ability to play basketball. Furthermore until he demonstrates that ability to the league he's unlikely to be able to trade him or bring in big pieces to play with Rondo.

Sure i can see your point. The timing though for me is a little mysterious. It's not like its all up to Ainge for when its ok for Rondo to be back. Rondo wanting to comeback at this stage of the year (right before the deadline) i guess has thrown a curveball my way

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2014, 11:24:42 AM »

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I said a ways back "if he comes back a few weeks before the trade deadline then he's probably being showcased".

I still believe that. in fact I think he's actively being shopped with high interest from other teams. the only thing from preventing the interested teams from pulling the trigger is they'd like to know what they're investing in. hence the reason rondo is coming back now, before the trade deadline.

I do not want rondo traded because we'll never get fair value for him and i'll admit what i would consider fair value probably isn't realistic either. but I also think it's a bit more realistic than what we'd actually get.

rondo's got intangibles you can't teach, practice or invoke magic spells to acquire.

You know for me, Danny has kept saying since Rondo was injured last year, that he is going nowhere. Brad Stevens visiting him right after he got hired, indicates Rondo is not going nowhere. 

If you see around the league, unless a three way trade can be orchastrated, no team that needs him will likely give back what Rondo is actually worth like you mentioned. For example Drummond or Cousins.

This is why for me its weird he is coming back, right before the trade deadline.

Again, never mind all the other stuff; if he's ready to play, how do you keep him out?  You can't do it. 

Danny can't sit down with his player and say, "listen, Rajon, I can't have you come back this season, because our goal is to lose.  I need you to sit out the rest of the season."

Rajon might not take kindly to that.  He might even squeal on Danny to the media.  He can't take that risk even if he didn't want him to play. 
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