Celtics fans being hypocritical with Bogans?

[Mencius]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

[Roy H.]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

In fairness to Bogans, he was a great teammate until the last few days.  He was the guy who was last to leave practice, who was taking young players under his wing, etc.  He was pretty patient when Bradley and Lee were in front of him, too.

I guess the final straw was when Brooks played instead of him.  At that point, it seems like it was a "If you want me as a basketball player, cool.  If you just want my contract, then I may as well go home" type of thing.

I totally understand the frustration.  I understand talking to Danny and Stevens about it.  I'm not as sympathetic to him going to the media, or complaining in front of the team (if that happened).

[Mencius]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

In fairness to Bogans, he was a great teammate until the last few days.  He was the guy who was last to leave practice, who was taking young players under his wing, etc.  He was pretty patient when Bradley and Lee were in front of him, too.

I guess the final straw was when Brooks played instead of him.  At that point, it seems like it was a "If you want me as a basketball player, cool.  If you just want my contract, then I may as well go home" type of thing.

I totally understand the frustration.  I understand talking to Danny and Stevens about it.  I'm not as sympathetic to him going to the media, or complaining in front of the team (if that happened).

Point taken.  We're all human and have our breaking points.  But I still say that not giving a guy playing time is nothing like mistreatment of an employee.  He's unhappy about lack of playing time, fine.  There are end of bench guys throughout the league unhappy about playing time.  Every team's got 'em.  But he's drawing a paycheck.  His job is to be ready to play if the coach calls his number.

I don't know that his attitude became cancerous, but can't imagine why the team just let him go home to still draw a paycheck if that were not the case.  Bottom line for me is, if he wants to draw a paycheck, show up, and honor your contract.  Be butthurt if you will, but if you want the check, do what's required without behaving in a way detrimental to the team, just like people in every other walk of life would do, unless they were willing to quit.  I'm old fashioned that way.

And now, having traded away two guards ahead of him, we could have used him, even if only for a practice body, or break glass in case of emergency guy to put in a game.

[sed522002]

He was an after thought in this trade.  It didn't matter to me if he played or not.   All these guys talking to the media does not sit well with me though.   Is Stevens this weak or not respected that his players do this all the time?

I like the hire of Stevens.

Wallace has talked to the media w/ EVERY team he's been on (so that's no surprise) Lee kind of surprised me because he didn't have anything to say last yr when he was in Doc's doghouse. I think because the team is losing a lot of the vets have these big egos and feel like they should be playing no matter what.

If the C's were winning they wouldn't be complaining to the media and would say some crap like "Stevens reducing my minutes is really helping my body...so playing less is a good thing"

[LooseCannon]

I wonder if Bogans had to be talked a bit into signing his deal and there were promises made about not letting him rot on the bench completely.

I also wonder if it is possible Bogans was considering retiring and Ainge had to talk him out of it to preserve his contract as an asset.  Does it change how you view things if he wanted to quit and give up his paycheck and Ainge wanted him to go home and give some time for his mental batteries to recharge?

[Chris]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

In fairness to Bogans, he was a great teammate until the last few days.  He was the guy who was last to leave practice, who was taking young players under his wing, etc.  He was pretty patient when Bradley and Lee were in front of him, too.

I guess the final straw was when Brooks played instead of him.  At that point, it seems like it was a "If you want me as a basketball player, cool.  If you just want my contract, then I may as well go home" type of thing.

I totally understand the frustration.  I understand talking to Danny and Stevens about it.  I'm not as sympathetic to him going to the media, or complaining in front of the team (if that happened).

I'm with you on all of this.  But did he actually go to the media?  I just haven't seen the reports. 

[Roy H.]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

In fairness to Bogans, he was a great teammate until the last few days.  He was the guy who was last to leave practice, who was taking young players under his wing, etc.  He was pretty patient when Bradley and Lee were in front of him, too.

I guess the final straw was when Brooks played instead of him.  At that point, it seems like it was a "If you want me as a basketball player, cool.  If you just want my contract, then I may as well go home" type of thing.

I totally understand the frustration.  I understand talking to Danny and Stevens about it.  I'm not as sympathetic to him going to the media, or complaining in front of the team (if that happened).

I'm with you on all of this.  But did he actually go to the media?  I just haven't seen the reports.

More accurately, I guess the media went to him, but he answered questions.  There was a thread on it a few days ago.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=68855.0

(Unfortunately, the original hoopsworld article is no longer available.)

[GreenWarrior]

I wonder if Bogans had to be talked a bit into signing his deal and there were promises made about not letting him rot on the bench completely.

I also wonder if it is possible Bogans was considering retiring and Ainge had to talk him out of it to preserve his contract as an asset.  Does it change how you view things if he wanted to quit and give up his paycheck and Ainge wanted him to go home and give some time for his mental batteries to recharge?

that may be the case but we can only go by what we know.

[Chris]

guy is a VET who gets paid 5million to sit on his behind. most of us have to work 40hours a week or more for a mere fraction of that.

Bogans should act like a VET and be a good influence on this young team rather than a cancer

Couldn't agree more.  And, if those of us working 40 hours a week for chump change decided that our work conditions were so intolerable, we'd quit and not get a paycheck.  It's the coach's job to determine who gets minutes.  At this point in his career, he's a journeyman scrub, and guy's getting paid a king's ransom.  Show up, do your job, be a good teammate, be a vet leader, and honor your contract.  If his attitude was becoming toxic, fine him for conduct detrimental to the team.  I don't like rewarding a guy with free money for being a bad teammate.

In fairness to Bogans, he was a great teammate until the last few days.  He was the guy who was last to leave practice, who was taking young players under his wing, etc.  He was pretty patient when Bradley and Lee were in front of him, too.

I guess the final straw was when Brooks played instead of him.  At that point, it seems like it was a "If you want me as a basketball player, cool.  If you just want my contract, then I may as well go home" type of thing.

I totally understand the frustration.  I understand talking to Danny and Stevens about it.  I'm not as sympathetic to him going to the media, or complaining in front of the team (if that happened).

I'm with you on all of this.  But did he actually go to the media?  I just haven't seen the reports.

More accurately, I guess the media went to him, but he answered questions.  There was a thread on it a few days ago.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=68855.0

(Unfortunately, the original hoopsworld article is no longer available.)

Ah, thanks.  I am OK with that.  Answering questions honestly about being frustrated he isn't playing is always fine for me.  It is VERY different than Wallace calling out other players through the media IMO. 

I want every player to be frustrated if they aren't playing. 

[LooseCannon]

I wonder if Bogans had to be talked a bit into signing his deal and there were promises made about not letting him rot on the bench completely.

I also wonder if it is possible Bogans was considering retiring and Ainge had to talk him out of it to preserve his contract as an asset.  Does it change how you view things if he wanted to quit and give up his paycheck and Ainge wanted him to go home and give some time for his mental batteries to recharge?

that may be the case but we can only go by what we know.

We should take into account all possibilities instead of fixating on interpretations that fit our favored narratives.  It's possible Bogans has what I would consider understandable reasons for being upset, so I am reluctant to slip into the binary ESPN talking head mode that things can only be the greatest outrage possible or the greatest thing ever.

[guava_wrench]

Fans, particularly fans of franchises like the Celtics, are always crying for players to see sports as more than a cash cow. Yet, when Keith Bogans appears to be passionate about his playing time and helping the team win, we tell him to shut up and enjoy his $5 mil. What do fans truly want out of players, if not what Bogans is displaying right now?

Bogans want to have his cake and eat it too.

No one forced Bogans to sign the deal for 5m a year. He wanted the money. He could have refused and sought a lesser contract elsewhere.

So, yes. He made his bed.

On the other hand, I have no problem with Bogans. I just don't have sympathy. He knew he was coming to a team that would try to get minutes to the young players.

[fantankerous]

Fans, particularly fans of franchises like the Celtics, are always crying for players to see sports as more than a cash cow. Yet, when Keith Bogans appears to be passionate about his playing time and helping the team win, we tell him to shut up and enjoy his $5 mil. What do fans truly want out of players, if not what Bogans is displaying right now?

I think hypocritical is a fair assessment.  The worst part of being a Celtics fan is other Celtics fans.