Realistic contender for $70-80 million? Rondo, Stephenson, Melo, Bosh, Asik

[freshinthehouse]

Celtics
* Sign offer sheet to Chris Bosh $22 Million x 4 years
*Sign offer sheet $11 million to Lance Stephenson x 4 years
*Sign Kevin Garnett Veterans minimum x 2 years
*Sign Paul Pierce veterans minimum x 2 years

Where does all this cap room come from?  Melo, Rondo, Asik, KO, Fav, and Sully alone add up to $50 mill. 

[Celtics4ever]

I honestly would not want Bosh in Green, period.

[manl_lui]

though I don't think this is feasible, I don't agree with some of the above's assessment of Bosh. Bosh may not be a max contract player, but he is [dang] close to one. As much as people like to rip Bosh, Bosh is definitely a difference maker for the Heat the last two seasons. The Cs struggled a bit when Bosh came back for game 5 6 and 7. His 3s in one game killed us. Game 6 of Spurs vs Heat, Bosh came up big with the offensive rebound to hit Allen for the clutch 3.

I would LOVE to have Bosh here if the price is right.

[D.o.s.]

I actually believe Bosh is a pretty good dude, based on his charity work and his Wired op-ed and such.

But no, thank you, I've had my fill of rebound-averse jumpshooting PF's for a hot minute.

[chambers]

How do the Celtics sign these players over the cap?

The tax threshold for 2014-15 is $75.7 million.
Apron is at $79.7 million.
Theoretically, with Rondo at 12 million until the end of 2014-15 we'd fit this roster under the apron with this starting 5 and a small salary bench.
If we didn't take Asik and just went with Sullinger, we'd save another 7 million and be under the threshold in a perfect world lol.

[chambers]

Celtics
* Sign offer sheet to Chris Bosh $22 Million x 4 years
*Sign offer sheet $11 million to Lance Stephenson x 4 years
*Sign Kevin Garnett Veterans minimum x 2 years
*Sign Paul Pierce veterans minimum x 2 years

Where does all this cap room come from?  Melo, Rondo, Asik, KO, Fav, and Sully alone add up to $50 mill.

As long as Wallace is moved with our 2014 first rounder (which he'd have to be to get Carmelo), we'd be fine.

We'd have to move:
Olynyk
Green
Bass
Wallace

The only players from our current roster would be Rondo and Sully.

[chambers]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

[Lucky17]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

With what cap space are you signing Bosh to a $22 million offer sheet? Once you hit $62 mil or so (generous estimate for 2014-15), you have zero cap space.

Also, Bosh isn't a free agent next year, unless he opts out.

[jambr380]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

OMG on the Wallace, Bass, KO, and picks for Carmelo deal that is proposed. I don't think NYK are going to send out one of the 'best' [whether you like him or not] players in the NBA for Wallace and picks - unless the picks are multiple top 3.

[chambers]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

OMG on the Wallace, Bass, KO, and picks for Carmelo deal that is proposed. I don't think NYK are going to send out one of the 'best' [whether you like him or not] players in the NBA for Wallace and picks - unless the picks are multiple top 3.

I don't think you read the first part of the post.
They're trading Carmelo for our pick that is top 5 on draft night. They're also getting a Clippers 2015 first rounder and potentially another one of our own first rounders+Olynyk.

It's a rebuild trade. The majority of New York fans agreed to this trade on Real GM except we also took Tyson Chandler off their hands and sent Humphries their way with Bogans.

[chambers]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

With what cap space are you signing Bosh to a $22 million offer sheet? Once you hit $62 mil or so (generous estimate for 2014-15), you have zero cap space.

Also, Bosh isn't a free agent next year, unless he opts out.

Bosh can opt out and probably will. Why wouldn't he? He'll want to lock in a long term deal at top dollar while he can.

The threshold for 2014-15 is slightly  under $76 million isn't it?

If I'm way off please explain, thanks!

[wdleehi]

This doesn't work under the CBA for a variety of reasons.

Can you explain why Roy?

Only players from this year we'd have are:
Rondo 13 million
Sully 1.4 million
=14.4 million

then..
Send out Green for Asik 8.3 million
Send out Wallace, Bass, Bogans, Olynyk + picks for Melo extended at 23 million.
=Total 45.4 million

Sign Lance Stephenson to 11 million offer sheet and succeed.
=$56.4 million

Sign Chris Bosh to offer sheet $18-22 million
=76-78 million.

*Give or take 1 million left over for apron
Still have Mini MLE at 3 million on top.
Can still go further into tax at higher rate for bench veterans if I'm correct? ie KG, Pierce, Kenyon Martin + some D League fillers?

It's not 100% perfect but in theory this roster could be achieved under the new CBA right?

With what cap space are you signing Bosh to a $22 million offer sheet? Once you hit $62 mil or so (generous estimate for 2014-15), you have zero cap space.

Also, Bosh isn't a free agent next year, unless he opts out.

Bosh can opt out and probably will. Why wouldn't he? He'll want to lock in a long term deal at top dollar while he can.

The threshold for 2014-15 is slightly  under $76 million isn't it?

If I'm way off please explain, thanks!

That's a different number.  That is the tax line. 



With the NBA soft cap, teams can sign their own players over the cap, but not players from another team. 

The Tax line is where teams have to pay to the NBA a tax for going over that line. 

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Too much money for Bosh and Stephenson, never mind I don't see any human leaving the kind of  money Bosh has to test free agency. Would rather run with Bradley and Sullinger.

[Endless Paradise]

You don't think Stephenson would be willing to take a discount to remain a Pacer? On numerous occasions, he's credited the Pacers organization and Larry Bird in particular for being so patient with him and allowing him to develop into the burgeoning young star he is. He's also stated that he wants to stay in Indiana.

This was a troubled young man who is enjoying some success at the professional level and much of that is due to the organization into which he was drafted. I absolutely believe he'd leave a few million on the table for Larry Bird.

Also, the Knicks are getting virtually nothing in your trade scenario except for Wallace's contract. If they trade Melo, they would only do so for legitimate assets (young players and useful picks), not a bunch of role players and an overpaid Gerald Wallace.

No.



This is this players chance to set himself up for life.  This could be his only big contract.

Yep, considering that he has only made 3.5 mil in his career, hes going for the most amount of money $$$ while he can.

This is why I think AB is gone. Some GM is going throw him close to 9mil per year and Danny (rightfully so) will let him walk.

Fair enough, you guys are free to think as much - I just don't agree.  I don't see anyone making Stephenson a max offer; I think he'll get around $10 million, $11 or $12 million at most.  With the right moves and some luck, the Pacers will be able to offer him a bit under $10 million.  I can honestly see him leaving $2 million a year on the table if it lets him stay with an organization he trusts and is comfortable with.

[D.o.s.]

You don't think Stephenson would be willing to take a discount to remain a Pacer? On numerous occasions, he's credited the Pacers organization and Larry Bird in particular for being so patient with him and allowing him to develop into the burgeoning young star he is. He's also stated that he wants to stay in Indiana.

This was a troubled young man who is enjoying some success at the professional level and much of that is due to the organization into which he was drafted. I absolutely believe he'd leave a few million on the table for Larry Bird.

Also, the Knicks are getting virtually nothing in your trade scenario except for Wallace's contract. If they trade Melo, they would only do so for legitimate assets (young players and useful picks), not a bunch of role players and an overpaid Gerald Wallace.

No.



This is this players chance to set himself up for life.  This could be his only big contract.

Yep, considering that he has only made 3.5 mil in his career, hes going for the most amount of money $$$ while he can.

This is why I think AB is gone. Some GM is going throw him close to 9mil per year and Danny (rightfully so) will let him walk.

Fair enough, you guys are free to think as much - I just don't agree.  I don't see anyone making Stephenson a max offer; I think he'll get around $10 million, $11 or $12 million at most.  With the right moves and some luck, the Pacers will be able to offer him a bit under $10 million.  I can honestly see him leaving $2 million a year on the table if it lets him stay with an organization he trusts and is comfortable with.

I think Stephenson's biggest 'trouble' came from the fact that he came up being told "you're the best thing since sliced bread" in the basketball mecca of the world.

I don't see him leaving the Pacers either, though.