Why Hayward or Monroe would make sense for the Celtics

[Yenohb]

Our struggling offense (Ranked 26th at 95 PPG) I think can be mainly attributed to the team's lack of ball movement(Ranked 27th at 19.3 APG). Players like Bass and Bradley who I think are the Primary Disruptors of ball movement are coincidentally two of the worst when it comes to +\- stats. Bradley(-105), Bass(-185).

Why Hayward? - He is averaging a career high 4.9 APG while playing alongside a true PG in Trey Burke at 5.1 APG.

Why Monroe? - Regarded last season as one of the best passing big men in the entire league at 3.5 APG.

Both are Free Agents this year.

[PhoSita]

Won't have the money to sign both, unless Danny somehow unloads Wallace.

I could see perhaps trading for one of them and then unloading salary to have room to sign the other, maybe.

Realistically, though, I think the team could target one of them, but not both.

[CFAN38]

Rondo will also help this immensely. His penetration and court vision will alleviate a lot of these problems.

[CelticG1]

I'd only want these guys on our team if I could have them on my video game celtics team then just dum them the next day.

Investing money in guys like these are a waste of time.  It's like a Josh Smith type investment and he's better than both of them

[ManUp]

Give me Greg Monroe all day I think he's underrated and will take a huge leap the moment he's out of Detroit and playing center.

I'd pass on Hayward I think he's worth 6 mill per, but will likely get 9 or 10. It would be like the signing of Green all over again.

[jr_3421]

Not as high on Monroe because from reading the Detroit blogs, he can't play PF. I like centers who can at least be average defensively (on and off ball) and the money he's going to demand isn't worth it to me. I still think he's a fantastic offensive player but his value goes down because he can't play PF.

[obnoxiousmime]

Not as high on Monroe because from reading the Detroit blogs, he can't play PF. I like centers who can at least be average defensively (on and off ball) and the money he's going to demand isn't worth it to me. I still think he's a fantastic offensive player but his value goes down because he can't play PF.

Well, that's why all these guys are available, right? Guys who make 10-12 million usually have some flaw that keeps them from making max money. They're in between the mid-level guys and max guys.

The question is does having too many of these guys prevent you from ultimately getting the 2 (or even 3 if you look at the Heat) max talent guys you need on a contender? Theoretically you could build a starting 4-5 of all 10-12 million guys and have something close to the Detroit Pistons (Billups, Hamilton, R. Wallace, B. Wallace I would guess all had salaries around that level).

I'd be fine with giving 12/year to someone like Lance Stephenson because he could be the 2.5/3rd banana on a contender. I'm not sure about Hayward because I haven't see him play enough. Monroe is kind of tricky because he's not a good defender and it's not exactly the hardest thing in the world to find big men who can score a little but can't defend.

You can just look at the little demand for Paul Millsap this offseason, or Al Jefferson having a vagabond career. If these guys were so rare they'd never be allowed to leave their original team to begin with.

[jr_3421]

Not as high on Monroe because from reading the Detroit blogs, he can't play PF. I like centers who can at least be average defensively (on and off ball) and the money he's going to demand isn't worth it to me. I still think he's a fantastic offensive player but his value goes down because he can't play PF.

Well, that's why all these guys are available, right? Guys who make 10-12 million usually have some flaw that keeps them from making max money. They're in between the mid-level guys and max guys.

Yeah I hear what you're saying. I guess my point was that I would take his defensive flaws if he could apply them to the PF position.

[rondohondo]

Why do we need Monroe? Sully is pretty much the same player, possibly better, and is on a rookie contract for the next couple years. We need a rim protector next to Sully.

[Evantime34]

I like Monroe because we lack shot creators and he can create shots in the post, him and Sullinger would also be a rebounding machine. On the downside, him and Sullinger as our bigs leaves us short in the athleticism/rim protection department  (that is not to say that I think Monroe can't get better defensively) and does not jibe with the style Rondo is best at.

I like Hayward because he is also a shot creator. I like him because he can score, pass, and rebound. I think his defense will improve and at 24 he could become a 20 point a game scorer sooner rather than later. I like his position versatility, in that he can play the two and the three. I think he will end up getting paid and whatever team pays him will be making a solid investment.

We need to get a new five and three by next season. We need to improve our shot creation and our post defense. I think either of these guys would be a step in the right direction.

Next year I would be happy with a starting five of Embiid/Sully/Hayward/Avery/Rondo or Monroe/Sullinger/Parker/Bradley/Rondo. Those lineups along with our slew of first rounders would guarantee us a good young core

[timobusa]

Quick question.

If somehow both players want to come play here, but you could only choose one, who would it be?

[Evantime34]

Quick question.

If somehow both players want to come play here, but you could only choose one, who would it be?

Monroe, but I guess it would depend who we get in the draft.

[dreamgreen]

We should go after both IMO. Most likely they both would get traded, that seems how it happens most of the time.