Jeff Green (Disappointed)

[jambr380]

I like Jeff Green and am satisfied with what he has provided for us as a Celtic so far. We got him a lopsided trade that benefited us (I know, Perk would have won a championship that year...yeah yeah yeah) and he has continued to be the player he always was.

I don't think it's fair to ever expect him to be better than the third best player on a quality team, but his contract and demeanor warrant that. Heck, it is even said that he was a failure as the fifth pick in the draft, but I think only Noah (I am not counting M. Gasol since he was never a serious prospect and was taken at 45) could have been argued to be taken ahead of Green.

I would like to see him handle the ball more, especially with Rondo out. He is a very solid passer, but only averages a paltry 1.5 assists. My biggest disappointment is with this not with his 16 ppg on a team that absolutely is based on spreading the ball around.

[JOMVP]

I don't think you can be disappointed in a player that has been exactly what he has been throughout his career. If you are dissapointed, then you expected too much. Green has averaged 15 point for the most part of his career, and he is right there now?

He isn't an all star, but he is an important player to a team who wants to win because he brings a unique offensive skill set and is providing consistent effort on the defensive end. When his confidence is up, he can flat take over games.

If someone overpaid us to trade for Jeff Green, I'd be all for it cause he is never going to be the player people expect him to be. However, if we kept him I think he is a useful veteran player to have later on when we start winning again.

[slamtheking]

I rooting for this guy to be the leader for this ball club while Rondo has been out, but he's no where near what I thought he'll be. I don't like to play the blame game but he is the reason for the Celtics losses. He disappears just about every game, & his leadership role has diminished. Jordan Crawford is more head strong and has taken over this team from Jeff Green.

Did you know: In the Celtics last 10 games Jeff Green has yet to score 20 or more points in a single game?

Simply put when we lost Rondo and Paul Pierce had to take over even more, if he had score less than 20pts in 10 games str8 Celtics would not have even made the playoffs.

Hopefully there is a turn around soon for Jeff Green. With the addition of Bayless (which I love the trade) been wanting him to be a Celtic for a few years now. Rondo is also returning in a few weeks or so. Jeff better play like the contract he was given.

I'm willing to make this happen... with some draft picks
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qbutffm

Green, Bass and Crawford for Carmelo?  Knicks would laugh themselves silly over that deal.  We'd have to give up all the draft picks we acquired to get this to happen (if that would be enough).  Even Dolan isn't that incompetent.

[jambr380]

I rooting for this guy to be the leader for this ball club while Rondo has been out, but he's no where near what I thought he'll be. I don't like to play the blame game but he is the reason for the Celtics losses. He disappears just about every game, & his leadership role has diminished. Jordan Crawford is more head strong and has taken over this team from Jeff Green.

Did you know: In the Celtics last 10 games Jeff Green has yet to score 20 or more points in a single game?

Simply put when we lost Rondo and Paul Pierce had to take over even more, if he had score less than 20pts in 10 games str8 Celtics would not have even made the playoffs.

Hopefully there is a turn around soon for Jeff Green. With the addition of Bayless (which I love the trade) been wanting him to be a Celtic for a few years now. Rondo is also returning in a few weeks or so. Jeff better play like the contract he was given.

I'm willing to make this happen... with some draft picks
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qbutffm

Green, Bass and Crawford for Carmelo?  Knicks would laugh themselves silly over that deal.  We'd have to give up all the draft picks we acquired to get this to happen (if that would be enough).  Even Dolan isn't that incompetent.

Unfortunately for the Knicks, this is why Carmelo is going to leave as a FA and they will get nothing in return. Holding steadfast to your beliefs is a good thing sometimes, but thinking that Carmelo is worth a king's ransom when he already has one foot out the door is a bit foolish.

They would be lucky to get a package centered around Green and a two picks. Bass and Crawford would be nice additions, but they would probably opt for Bradley...which may be the hold up.

[Q_FBE]

I like Jeff Greens game but he cannot carry a team all by his lonesome. Then again people around here seem to be railing him for not being the total replacement to Paul Pierce.

Gerald Wallace has not impressed me and we would do well to find a taker for his bloated contract. If it means shipping out Avery Bradley, you do it.

[Evantime34]

My problem with Jeff Green is his lack effort. Sure he seems to try hard, but only after he hits a few easy ones in transition or via ball movement does he really work to get his shots. He seems to be content standing in the corner, if they ball gets swung to him cool but if not he isn't working to get open.

[Snakehead]

My problem with Jeff Green is his lack effort. Sure he seems to try hard, but only after he hits a few easy ones in transition or via ball movement does he really work to get his shots. He seems to be content standing in the corner, if they ball gets swung to him cool but if not he isn't working to get open.

People need to understand that isn't effort though.  It's mindset.

Shane Battier plays about as hard as you can, and all he does on offense is basically stand in the corner for threes.

Jeff could be more aggressive but he just isn't.  He doesn't have that mental make up.  He is pretty efficient though and a good shooter.  He just looks to space the floor and when he attacks, it's usually from spacing the floor off a pump fake.

A ton of basketball is mental.  It's what makes a lot of these players different and what makes the best players the very best.

[Mr October]

The only part of jeff green's game that continues to baffle me, is his lack of rebounding. Considering his size and athleticism, his rebounding numbers are bad. I cringe anytime he has a 1 rebound game, while playing more than 20 minutes.

[SHAQATTACK]

The only part of jeff green's game that continues to baffle me, is his lack of rebounding. Considering his size and athleticism, his rebounding numbers are bad. I cringe anytime he has a 1 rebound game, while playing more than 20 minutes.

I 'm with ya here.   This dude has the athletic ability and body of a god.   He can out jump most anybody he meets on they court , he has nature length and height .  He is smart , well educated. 

Jeff is poster stud for NBA basketball .......a good fellow........but pretty is as pretty does. ..ya know?

Look at Emmitt Smith and Paul Pierce.......they aren't all that impressive on first glance ....but boy were they awesome at their trade

If it is a Ferrari ......well it must run like a Ferrari ?

Apparently not in th case of Jeff Green.

[Fafnir]

I never get the idea that Jeff Green must not "want" it enough. I get the criticism of him at times, but he has limitations that go far beyond effort but aren't hammered nearly as much.

He's not that skilled dribbling, his footwork in the dribble drive isn't crisp at all that leads to ackward layup attempts and limits his pull up game. Etc. etc..

[Roy H.]

I don't think you can be disappointed in a player that has been exactly what he has been throughout his career.

I agree with this.  I know a lot of fans expected him to make a jump to star-level, and that's just not realistic.

Green's a guy who is going to be a pretty good scorer and a bad rebounder.  Those are the givens.  When he's hitting his outside shots and is defending well, he's a very useful player.

[guava_wrench]

My problem with Jeff Green is his lack effort. Sure he seems to try hard, but only after he hits a few easy ones in transition or via ball movement does he really work to get his shots. He seems to be content standing in the corner, if they ball gets swung to him cool but if not he isn't working to get open.

People need to understand that isn't effort though.  It's mindset.

Shane Battier plays about as hard as you can, and all he does on offense is basically stand in the corner for threes.

Jeff could be more aggressive but he just isn't.  He doesn't have that mental make up.  He is pretty efficient though and a good shooter.  He just looks to space the floor and when he attacks, it's usually from spacing the floor off a pump fake.

A ton of basketball is mental.  It's what makes a lot of these players different and what makes the best players the very best.

Well said. For every Jeff Green, there is also a player that runs around like a chicken with its head cut off doing dumb things on the court.

With his physical traits, I do believe that he could be successful with a more aggressive disposition. Then again, maybe he just becomes an overpaid, inefficient bulk scorer in that scenario.

[the_Bird]

The only part of jeff green's game that continues to baffle me, is his lack of rebounding. Considering his size and athleticism, his rebounding numbers are bad. I cringe anytime he has a 1 rebound game, while playing more than 20 minutes.

This right here.  To some extend, we're probably spoiled from watching Pierce be such a good rebounder for so long at the SF, but Green could certainly give more effort on the glass.

Overall, though...  I can't help it, Green disappoints me.  He is what he is, or more specifically, he is what he pretty much always has been.  He's being paid like he should be something better.  You see the flashes of excellence, and I don't know how to not be frustrated that it doesn't come out with any consistency.  When he disappears from games...  when he's not demanding the ball, it just seems like he's not as good as he COULD be. 

I'm always going to root for the guys who get every last ounce out of their athletic ability.  In football, I love rooting for the rookie free agents that Belichick finds, the Danny Woodheads and Julian Edelmans of the world. 

Does anyone honestly believe that we're seeing the absolute best Jeff Green that could be? 

[Evantime34]

My problem with Jeff Green is his lack effort. Sure he seems to try hard, but only after he hits a few easy ones in transition or via ball movement does he really work to get his shots. He seems to be content standing in the corner, if they ball gets swung to him cool but if not he isn't working to get open.

People need to understand that isn't effort though.  It's mindset.

Shane Battier plays about as hard as you can, and all he does on offense is basically stand in the corner for threes.

Jeff could be more aggressive but he just isn't.  He doesn't have that mental make up.  He is pretty efficient though and a good shooter.  He just looks to space the floor and when he attacks, it's usually from spacing the floor off a pump fake.

A ton of basketball is mental.  It's what makes a lot of these players different and what makes the best players the very best.

I disagree that it isn't effort. The focus to get yourself open even after you are initially covered is something you can work at.

Jeff Green takes the majority of good shots that present themselves to him, but if he isn't open there is no extra effort used to get open after the initial denial of a pass to him. I think he does have a scorer's mindset in that when he get the ball he looks to score. If it isn't there he passes the ball like he should. However, once he gives up the ball in a given possession he makes no effort to get himself into a good position to score.

When watching the Heat play you always hear Spoelstra talk about multiple efforts on every play (if your first option isn't there run through your next option, if you stop them on one rotation on defense go through your next defensive rotation) and Green simply isn't focusing himself to provide the extra effort to get in a position that allows him to score.

On a side note: I'm not a fan of "people need to see/realize" statements because it assumes that there is no way you in fact are incorrect but it's everyone else who needs to "see"

[oldutican]

I've decided he needs to be replaced. We have Rondo at the point and I like Bradley, Sully and KO. So they need major upgrades at center and SF to contend. I'd trade Green to help get either through a trade or freeing up $.