2014 draft 10-25 sfs - doug mcdermott, sam dekker, TJ warren, kyle anderson

[pokeKingCurtis]

Glenn Robinson III?

Yes. I have a crush. Iguodala-type player? Sign me up!

[csfansince60s]

Anybody watch UCLA tonight?

Kyle Anderson has 13th double double in conference play this year and has one triple double outside of Pac10.

Heady, clutch, posed player who knows how to play. The knock is that he's not über athletic. Wouldn't matter to me. He knows where to be and what to do. GREAT instincts.

I'd take him with our second pick.

[saltlover]

Glenn Robinson III?

Yes. I have a crush. Iguodala-type player? Sign me up!

I like GR3, but he's really lost his mojo this year.  Maybe he'll get it back in the next month, but he's missing layups that used to be highlight reel dunks, and his jump shot is leaving him too.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Glenn Robinson III?

Yes. I have a crush. Iguodala-type player? Sign me up!

I like GR3, but he's really lost his mojo this year.  Maybe he'll get it back in the next month, but he's missing layups that used to be highlight reel dunks, and his jump shot is leaving him too.

Had no idea he was in such a funk. Last I checked was a long time ago.

Anybody watch UCLA tonight?

Kyle Anderson has 13th double double in conference play this year and has one triple double outside of Pac10.

Heady, clutch, posed player who knows how to play. The knock is that he's not über athletic. Wouldn't matter to me. He knows where to be and what to do. GREAT instincts.

I'd take him with our second pick.

Am intrigued.

Sully, KO, Anderson and Rondo would be a very smart lineup.

Has there ever been a lineup with this much basketball IQ at the same time?

I wonder if they would collectively be able to overcome their deficiencies with sheer cleverness.

Edit: GRIII in the 2nd round? I'd very much take the risk (of course, my "scouting" is nothing more than highlight videos).

[csfansince60s]

Glenn Robinson III?

Yes. I have a crush. Iguodala-type player? Sign me up!

I like GR3, but he's really lost his mojo this year.  Maybe he'll get it back in the next month, but he's missing layups that used to be highlight reel dunks, and his jump shot is leaving him too.

I liked him too, but you're right. His confidence seems to be down.

He needs to really turn it on come tournament time, or he will slide. Maybe that happens and we get a later first in a deadline trade and get him!

[saltlover]

Glenn Robinson III?

Yes. I have a crush. Iguodala-type player? Sign me up!

I like GR3, but he's really lost his mojo this year.  Maybe he'll get it back in the next month, but he's missing layups that used to be highlight reel dunks, and his jump shot is leaving him too.

I liked him too, but you're right. His confidence seems to be down.

He needs to really turn it on come tournament time, or he will slide. Maybe that happens and we get a later first in a deadline trade and get him!

At this point I'd be surprised if he entered the draft. I watch a good deal of Michigan games, and I can't remember the last time I even saw him dribble in the half-court set.  Last year he was at least good for one or two drives to the rim after a hard close out on him in the corner, but this year, not so much.  I really thought he was top 10 material back in mid-November, but now I don't think I'd want him in the first round for fear of the guaranteed contract.  Makes me sad.  He was a player I was really excited about this year.  Don't know what's happened.  It's like the Monstars in Space Jam got to him.

[vjcsmoke]

McDermott is a ridiculous shooter.  But I fear he might get eaten alive on defense.  His body looks kind of soft.  Could be a good bench scorer type, late 1st at best.  JMO.  But still worth taking a shot on late when you lack 3 point shooting ability on the roster as the C's currently do.

Warren has a sneaky offensive game.  His floaters remind me of Sherman Douglas.  His off ball movement is great.  Rondo would set him up for so many easy scorers.  And I love his effort and hustle on defense.  He reminds me of a poor man's PP. 

Unfortunately he doesn't show the explosion and quickness to turn the corner and get to the rim.  I think he goes earlier than McDermott but I feel he is a 15-25 pick.  I really like him though and wouldn't hesitate with a late 1st/early 2nd.

Right now I really want to trade Jeff Green.  If we could get a pick in the 6-13 range, I'd trade JG in a heartbeat.  Then I draft say Warren with a late 1st/early 2nd.  Might turn into a good player.

Now Anderson.  Wow he is something else.  That ability to handle the ball and pass with that 6-9 size.  He would be a taller Wroten for us.  Definitely an intriguing possibility.  He would apprentice under Rondo.  And if Rondo walks next season, we'd have an insurance policy in place. 

Looks to be worth a teens lottery pick if everything checks out athleticism/health wise.  Of course more will come out at the combine, march tournaments, etc.

[PickNRoll]

I absolutely love TJ Warren's game.  Extremely crafty on offense.  Not super athletic, but can flat out score.  Excellent finisher who knows how to use his body to compensate for lack of size and speed.  I think he would fit perfectly alongside Sully and Rondo.  He has 3pt range and he's scoring over 26 a game in his last 5 on over 58% shooting.  Averaging 23 and 7 on the season.

His style sort of defies comparison, but if I were pressed I'd say Hedo Turkoglu... the young variety.  His body reminds me more of a Cedric Maxwell type, but he moves more like a Kevin Gamble.  Downside is probably Ryan Gomes, but I think he's far more advanced.  IMO he's a 12-15ppg scorer almost immediately.  Check out his youtubes - you'll love this kid.

[Smitty77]

these are the classic old school type sfs that will certainly be available from late lotto to 25

why they are still an upgrade to jeff green at sf

mcdermott - prolific scorer. lethal shooter. quicker than you think. Many compare him to kyle korver.  Never stops moving and plays without the ball most of the time

sam dekker - not as good shooter as mcdermott but more athletic.  better passer and ball handler also. Again moves well without the ball

tj warren - caron butler/pierce comparison comes to mind. Has a heavy frame but a smooth game. excellent at finishing on contact. has a good jump shot he doesnt use alot bc he usually has his way scoring on the drive.

kyle anderson - if he had a better body would prob be a top 5 pick. Comparable height , passing skills and feel of the game like magic. Can play multiple positions but prob a sf at the next level.


bottom line is, even though we might miss out on top sfs like wiggins or parker, these guys above will be available when we choose with one of our 1sts. i think jeff green days as a celtic is done after this year. We need a new fresh face

I am deathly afraid of Doug McDermott.  The image of him playing against that UNC team which was loaded with NBA talent ( Henson, Barnes, Marshall and Zeller) he struggled bad.  Henson and Barnes had their way with him.  I feel like there is no upside there?  I would rather take PJ Hairston than McDermott?

20 points (one almost 50% shooting), 9 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal is NOT exactly struggling BAD vs. the #1 seed!!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320780153

And I bet they were double and triple teaming him ALL stinking game.  And that was 2 years ago too.

Smitty77

[TwinTower14]

these are the classic old school type sfs that will certainly be available from late lotto to 25

why they are still an upgrade to jeff green at sf

mcdermott - prolific scorer. lethal shooter. quicker than you think. Many compare him to kyle korver.  Never stops moving and plays without the ball most of the time

sam dekker - not as good shooter as mcdermott but more athletic.  better passer and ball handler also. Again moves well without the ball

tj warren - caron butler/pierce comparison comes to mind. Has a heavy frame but a smooth game. excellent at finishing on contact. has a good jump shot he doesnt use alot bc he usually has his way scoring on the drive.

kyle anderson - if he had a better body would prob be a top 5 pick. Comparable height , passing skills and feel of the game like magic. Can play multiple positions but prob a sf at the next level.


bottom line is, even though we might miss out on top sfs like wiggins or parker, these guys above will be available when we choose with one of our 1sts. i think jeff green days as a celtic is done after this year. We need a new fresh face

I am deathly afraid of Doug McDermott.  The image of him playing against that UNC team which was loaded with NBA talent ( Henson, Barnes, Marshall and Zeller) he struggled bad.  Henson and Barnes had their way with him.  I feel like there is no upside there?  I would rather take PJ Hairston than McDermott?

20 points (one almost 50% shooting), 9 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal is NOT exactly struggling BAD vs. the #1 seed!!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320780153

And I bet they were double and triple teaming him ALL stinking game.  And that was 2 years ago too.

Smitty77

I am guessing you didn't watch the game? He was totally overmatched by NBA size and athleticism.  19 shots to get 20 pts? when is that a good game? I feel like he has peaked I would take a chance on someone like TJ Warren or PJ Hairston. 

[danglertx]

I go McDermott all the way.  His release is super fast and he will be murder on pick and pops with Rondo.  Plus he moves without the ball like John Paxon to throw an old school name out there.  Plus he has a ridiculous low post series of moves if matched up on smaller guys.  He has the Dirk one leg step back that he will be able to get off on anyone his size or smaller any time he wants.

The guy is playing at Creighton.  I bet only a handful of people on this board could tell us what state Creighton is located.  He has NO help, every team knows they have to stop him and he STILL is putting up video game numbers.  I think he is every bit the pro player he is the college player.  He is the perfect fit with Rondo driving, Sully on the post passing back out of double teams, and getting passes from Rondo on cuts to the basket.

[TwinTower14]

these are the classic old school type sfs that will certainly be available from late lotto to 25

why they are still an upgrade to jeff green at sf

mcdermott - prolific scorer. lethal shooter. quicker than you think. Many compare him to kyle korver.  Never stops moving and plays without the ball most of the time

sam dekker - not as good shooter as mcdermott but more athletic.  better passer and ball handler also. Again moves well without the ball

tj warren - caron butler/pierce comparison comes to mind. Has a heavy frame but a smooth game. excellent at finishing on contact. has a good jump shot he doesnt use alot bc he usually has his way scoring on the drive.

kyle anderson - if he had a better body would prob be a top 5 pick. Comparable height , passing skills and feel of the game like magic. Can play multiple positions but prob a sf at the next level.


bottom line is, even though we might miss out on top sfs like wiggins or parker, these guys above will be available when we choose with one of our 1sts. i think jeff green days as a celtic is done after this year. We need a new fresh face

I am deathly afraid of Doug McDermott.  The image of him playing against that UNC team which was loaded with NBA talent ( Henson, Barnes, Marshall and Zeller) he struggled bad.  Henson and Barnes had their way with him.  I feel like there is no upside there?  I would rather take PJ Hairston than McDermott?

20 points (one almost 50% shooting), 9 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal is NOT exactly struggling BAD vs. the #1 seed!!

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=320780153

And I bet they were double and triple teaming him ALL stinking game.  And that was 2 years ago too.

Smitty77

UNC wasn't double and triple teaming him because they didn't have to.  Had Barnes, Bullock and Hairston to cover him.  I don't care that it has been two years, he is going to struggle at the NBA level, I don't think he got more athletic?  Great college player though, I wouldn't take that away from him...

[saltlover]

I go McDermott all the way.  His release is super fast and he will be murder on pick and pops with Rondo.  Plus he moves without the ball like John Paxon to throw an old school name out there.  Plus he has a ridiculous low post series of moves if matched up on smaller guys.  He has the Dirk one leg step back that he will be able to get off on anyone his size or smaller any time he wants.

The guy is playing at Creighton.  I bet only a handful of people on this board could tell us what state Creighton is located.  He has NO help, every team knows they have to stop him and he STILL is putting up video game numbers.  I think he is every bit the pro player he is the college player.  He is the perfect fit with Rondo driving, Sully on the post passing back out of double teams, and getting passes from Rondo on cuts to the basket.

Creighton is in Nebraska.  In recent history it's been a very good school for basketball -- it's not fair to say that team has no talent.  Maybe not much NBA talent, but they're in the tournament more often than not the past 15 years, from a conference that normally sends more than one team (Missouri Valley).  This year they've moved to the new version of the Big East, where competition has taken another step up, so it's good on McDermott that he's continued to be elite at the college level.  He's the best player on his team, sure, but it's not like Wally Szerbiak completely carrying some small school to glory for a couple of years.

[Galeto]

McDermott is not getting off his one-legged Dirk shot off any time he wants against smaller or similar sized guys.  One, Dirk is able to not only because he's really tall but also because his arms are long and his release is really high.  McDermott is around 6'8 in shoes with a 6'8 wingspan.  He has below-average length.  His release is super quick but not really high like Dirk.  He also lacks Dirk's body control. 

I really like McDermott as a role player who is a weapon as a spot up shooter and pick and popper from three.  Beyond that, I just can't see him getting the run of the floor like he gets at Creighton.  He has full license to move anywhere he likes and post up as much as he likes.  That kind of license in the NBA would take away from why he'd be on the floor in the first place, to stretch the floor and hit threes. 

Post up opportunities are not given lightly in the NBA.  You have to be really good at it or have an extreme size advantage to get them.  I can't see him getting many looks in the post at all.

[jyyzzoel]

KYLE ANDERSON!

advanced stats show he's a lot better than dekker, and better than mcdermott - haven't checked warren but I assume so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzL5qVYfOx8

this link is to a video of kyle anderson. his release isn't as slow as i once thought. i know he has a long wingspan, but it seems he also only needs to take to steps to reach the basket, which means he's deceptively quick. 

can't jump though. but he's a great passer. he's a starter in the nba. not a star or superstar, but a really good starter.