2014 draft 10-25 sfs - doug mcdermott, sam dekker, TJ warren, kyle anderson

[Tr1boy]

TJ warren went off today again with 31 points at 12-21 shooting to help his team win 71-64 vs VT. He has done well against top level teams also. At this rate Warren is going to be drafted 8-12.

Like mcdermott is a scoring machine, not as deadly as a jump shooter but better defender and racks up the steals..

TJ Warren is a better player than Andrew Wiggins right now.  He scores more (and at a higher efficiency) than Jabari Parker.  It's easy to get caught up in all the mock draft hype, but a few years from now I think we'll see Warren as a top 5-6 talent in this draft. Get him Danny!

I agree. The adv warren doesnt have vs those two is that he is a year older. Still wiggins/parker if they stay another yr would have to accomplish what warren is doing/did in his 2nd year(avg 23 pts, at 52 fg per) which is not easy

Warren is going to be a good nba sf. He is a workhorse. Has a non stop motor

[Mr October]

TJ warren went off today again with 31 points at 12-21 shooting to help his team win 71-64 vs VT. He has done well against top level teams also. At this rate Warren is going to be drafted 8-12.

Like mcdermott is a scoring machine, not as deadly as a jump shooter but better defender and racks up the steals..

TJ Warren is a better player than Andrew Wiggins right now.  He scores more (and at a higher efficiency) than Jabari Parker.  It's easy to get caught up in all the mock draft hype, but a few years from now I think we'll see Warren as a top 5-6 talent in this draft. Get him Danny!

I agree. The adv warren doesnt have vs those two is that he is a year older. Still wiggins/parker if they stay another yr would have to accomplish what warren is doing/did in his 2nd year(avg 23 pts, at 52 fg per) which is not easy

Warren is going to be a good nba sf. He is a workhorse. Has a non stop motor

I finally caught a NC State game, and warren was awesome. He has a great touch and a variety of ways of scoring when he drives. He has to be picked in the teens if he comes out.  I liked watching him play. He can even shoot some from the outside.

[Mr October]

TJ warren went off today again with 31 points at 12-21 shooting to help his team win 71-64 vs VT. He has done well against top level teams also. At this rate Warren is going to be drafted 8-12.

Like mcdermott is a scoring machine, not as deadly as a jump shooter but better defender and racks up the steals..

TJ Warren is a better player than Andrew Wiggins right now.  He scores more (and at a higher efficiency) than Jabari Parker.  It's easy to get caught up in all the mock draft hype, but a few years from now I think we'll see Warren as a top 5-6 talent in this draft. Get him Danny!

I would argue that wiggins is the better player now. He is on a better team being coached by a rigid personality. Wiggins would score more if he were on a lesser team. Wiggins has a superior outside shot, and i think he is faster on defense than warren.

Warren is no doubt stronger, and a better driver against a set defense. His defense still looks good. He looks like a solid small forward. Meanwhile wiggins looks like he could thrive at the 2 or the 3 in the NBA.

[Finkelskyhook]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years. 

[Tr1boy]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

[TwinTower14]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

I really want to see him against some NBA wings ( Wiggins, Parker, Grant, CJ Fair etc...) see if he has gotten any better because two years ago against UNC it got pretty ugly.  19 shots to get 20 pts in a blow out loss...

[Finkelskyhook]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

Even when he hasn't "brought it" he's still putting up ridiculous numbers.    He also won't be a first option in any NBA offense.  Doubt he's being scouted that way.

[Tr1boy]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

I really want to see him against some NBA wings ( Wiggins, Parker, Grant, CJ Fair etc...) see if he has gotten any better because two years ago against UNC it got pretty ugly.  19 shots to get 20 pts in a blow out loss...

Exactly. We can make all the excuses like his team stinks etc but if he is that good he has to carry the team on his back. If he cant again then he really is no better than say a kyle korver

[Finkelskyhook]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

I really want to see him against some NBA wings ( Wiggins, Parker, Grant, CJ Fair etc...) see if he has gotten any better because two years ago against UNC it got pretty ugly.  19 shots to get 20 pts in a blow out loss...

Exactly. We can make all the excuses like his team stinks etc but if he is that good he has to carry the team on his back. If he cant again then he really is no better than say a kyle korver

He does carry his team on his back.  Actually Korver is a pretty good pro.  McDermott does everything better than Korver except shooting 3s.  IMHO he'll have a similar pro career to Korver.   

[csfansince60s]

We get to see almost all of McDermott's games here...Not the greatest athlete...But there is nothing he isn't very very good at.  He's going to be a good pro for a lot of years.

He needs to bring it against top teams first. This tourney he has to light it up.

I really want to see him against some NBA wings ( Wiggins, Parker, Grant, CJ Fair etc...) see if he has gotten any better because two years ago against UNC it got pretty ugly.  19 shots to get 20 pts in a blow out loss...

Exactly. We can make all the excuses like his team stinks etc but if he is that good he has to carry the team on his back. If he cant again then he really is no better than say a kyle korver

He does carry his team on his back.  Actually Korver is a pretty good pro.  McDermott does everything better than Korver except shooting 3s.  IMHO he'll have a similar pro career to Korver.

I agree, which is why I don't think that we should take him.

He is not a "swing for the fences" type of pick in the 15-20 range that a Willie-Cauley Stein would be or a Kyle Anderson would be.

Anderson would be my choice.

[PickNRoll]

TJ warren went off today again with 31 points at 12-21 shooting to help his team win 71-64 vs VT. He has done well against top level teams also. At this rate Warren is going to be drafted 8-12.

Like mcdermott is a scoring machine, not as deadly as a jump shooter but better defender and racks up the steals..

TJ Warren is a better player than Andrew Wiggins right now.  He scores more (and at a higher efficiency) than Jabari Parker.  It's easy to get caught up in all the mock draft hype, but a few years from now I think we'll see Warren as a top 5-6 talent in this draft. Get him Danny!

I would argue that wiggins is the better player now. He is on a better team being coached by a rigid personality. Wiggins would score more if he were on a lesser team. Wiggins has a superior outside shot, and i think he is faster on defense than warren.

Warren is no doubt stronger, and a better driver against a set defense. His defense still looks good. He looks like a solid small forward. Meanwhile wiggins looks like he could thrive at the 2 or the 3 in the NBA.

Wiggins has wow factor, but Warren has the "it" factor.  You know those guys -- rebounds seem to fall in their lap a la Sully.  The "50/50" shots always seem to go in.  They never come up empty on a fast break.  etc. etc.  When you play and watch basketball for 30-40 years, it's easy to spot them.  Warren is one of those guys.

That said, you obviously take Wiggins with his unlimited potential, but Warren would be a heck of a consolation price in the teens.

[Tr1boy]

Sam Dekker is playing better these days.  He has upside/potential.  His main issue in freshman year was lack of strength and bad rebounding #s for a sf. Well this year he has bumped it up to 6.3 rebounds a game (from approx 3.0).

Also since the start of 2014 he is shooting at a 40 plus percentage (from 33 per prio). Nice size, length, quickness, skills and iq . Not sure about his ceiling.

a clip of him from last season (no recent clips)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PICuR7eGUGY

[TwinTower14]

TJ Warren versus my Heels tonight - should be a good match up for him, UNC has been playing great defense the last 10 games and has a bunch of good defenders to throw at him.  He had a great game last time against them but I missed the game.  Excited to see him tonight...

[Tr1boy]

TJ Warren versus my Heels tonight - should be a good match up for him, UNC has been playing great defense the last 10 games and has a bunch of good defenders to throw at him.  He had a great game last time against them but I missed the game.  Excited to see him tonight...

Hey since your a heels fan what is your opinion of mcadoo this year? Why has he been playing like 11 min 2 out of 3 games recently?

I think mcadoo is better suited as a sf for the nba. He could be a steal pick(from 25-35) imo

[TwinTower14]

TJ Warren versus my Heels tonight - should be a good match up for him, UNC has been playing great defense the last 10 games and has a bunch of good defenders to throw at him.  He had a great game last time against them but I missed the game.  Excited to see him tonight...

Hey since your a heels fan what is your opinion of mcadoo this year? Why has he been playing like 11 min 2 out of 3 games recently?

I think mcadoo is better suited as a sf for the nba. He could be a steal pick(from 25-35) imo

He ran into foul trouble against FSU and Wake was such a blow out I don't think it mattered??  the range you listed is good value for him because he is an NBA player and he has an NBA body, just not a great skill set.  But he plays hard, rebounds and is a good defender.  Not sure he can play SF though?  I think he would have to be on a team that plays small and he plays the PF?  uses his quickness to his advantage??  A lot of hype for him out of high school, number two rated prospect that year and he really hasn't lived up to the hype.